Did someone think 1984 was a blueprint....?

And so what?

That only proves you know what you have been told you know.

It does not show that it somehow would have sailed right over the head of law enforcement to infiltrate it. Of course they would. How do you really know who and what they may have busted from there, and where for that matter? My word, if they were being really clever, they would create the site.

 

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How strange Jack, first, what on earth does Israel have to do with this thread and second, Israel, as seen by recent events in Syria hasn't got any control over the US.

 

Not true at all.

You may think so.

I do not.

 

Then why did Israel not get their way according to you?

Amos Yadlin + why bombing Damascus is important to Israel. - Jack Napier

Not one US bomb fell on Syria despite your fantasy of Israel wishing it and the made up falsehood that Israel controls the US.

 

This 1984 system is different than you think. This 1984 system was created only to cause changes (weakening the president in all kinds of ways to let the next become more popular) and to cause resistance in the people when they read about the NSA spying, the TSA groping, about lethal drone strikes, the leakings, etc, via the mass media (that's nearly all media today, because non-system media outlets copycat information) This 1984 system is an ongoing propaganda war against the people's minds (deception and fear) They try to cause a revolution, because via a revolution they can get control over a society/country (same in the Middle Eastern countries, but with more emotion and by revolts, a civil war and and 'regime changes', more violent, in the Western world they use politics and propaganda to organize the population)

There is freedom until they have organized an absolute majority behind a popular political leader or a popular president. In 2016 the organisation of the US population will be again a step further if they haven't found out what this system is all about, it's about organisation, nothing more, nothing less (the same ritual, that of rulers and populations, is going on for thousands of years on this planet, now we are part of history) In this time (with mass communication) people can stop history from becoming reality (by being aware that you are organized all the time, because people pick sides, join organisations, join a political party, stick a political label to their mind, and so on) People in fear and uncertaintly organize invisibly What happened in Egypt over the past few years was a warning, it was years of propaganda and politics that triggered three revolts in millions, means their organisation, and not one person saw this coming (because hardly anyone, or even no one, could see their emotion, because emotion is a natural thing, politics use this to increase their popularity)

 

One cannot always account for a curve ball or event unexpected, for example, that may be one reason. Some may say that they did not anticipate Putin playing the card he did, when he did, but in playing it, that would be one reason why the dogs were called off. Even then it would only be for now, that is not to say they will not attack in the near future.

Probably when Syria have made themselves less able to retaliate by being stupid enough to rid themselves of defences.

That seems to be the theme of these matters.

 

Yes, so they don't control the US.

 

I think you misread my note.

 

I didn't. You were trying to make excuses as to why the US did not behave in what you deem was Israel's wishes but in fact, if Israel did control the US, bombs would have been dropping a long time ago hence, Israel does not control the US. If they did, trillions would be sent to Israel every year rather than three billion, the USA would be carrying out drone strikes on Hamas leaders and, the Iranian nuclear program would be under millions of tons of concrete rubble.

 

Only according to you.

 

No Jack, according to you ...

 

Yes according to me, so what of it?

I've gone into this already.

Read.

Take it in.

 

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Yes you have and, have been shown on a few occasions that you are wrong, Israel does not control the US.

 

That is your view.

I am well aware of it.

I disagree so there is really no use us milking this one fella.

 

Strange, your own quotes state otherwise as I have shown.

 

The question needs clarification. It should be as simple as do we want privacy or do we want to prevent people flying airplanes into our biggest buildings. In the meantime, you already know which way ALL presidents are going to lean. They don't want 9/11s on their CVs.

 

I don't know whether this has been mentioned on this thread before. I;ve heard something about the " five Eyes " on radio this morning . Thought I'd google it and learn more , this is my first hit :

" US ‘used British base’ to spy on Merkel

October 27 2013 at 01:00pm
By CAROLINE GRAHAM AND ROBERT VERKAIK



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London - The United States used a British spy base to listen in on the phone calls of Angela Merkel and 35 other world leaders, it was claimed on Saturday night.

RAF Menwith Hill in North Yorkshire, which is run by America’s National Security Agency (NSA), is the biggest surveillance and interception facility in Europe.

The base analyses satellite signals as well as mobile phone and electronic data from private individuals, governments and corporations.

Last week it was reported that American spies had been listening in on the phone conversations of dozens of world leaders.

The allegations led Mrs Merkel to call Barack Obama and ask him to account for his agents’ actions.

Now fresh claims by US whistleblower J. Kirk Wiebe, who worked for the NSA for 30 years, have dragged Britain into the scandal.

Mr Wiebe believes US agents used the base to intercept the German leader’s phone calls – with the full knowledge of British officials.


read more :http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/us-used-british-base-to-spy-on-merkel-1.1598043#.Um1gQ-RFC3s

OTTAWA - The U.S. eavesdropping agency may be snooping on dozens of world leaders, but one intelligence expert says it's unlikely the National Security Agency is listening to Stephen Harper's calls.

Wesley Wark, a visiting professor at the University of Ottawa, points to an agreement among the so-called Five Eyes countries that they won't spy on one another.


"In a crisis, I think that convention might be temporarily suspended. But I don't think there's any crisis of that proportion that's come along in Stephen Harper's time," said Wark, who teaches in the university's graduate school of public and international affairs.

The Five Eyes — Canada, the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand — have been exchanging information for decades and their signals intelligence agencies co-operate closely.

In addition, Wark says, the Canadian prime ministers' working style — controlled and discreet — makes him an unattractive target for U.S. spies.

"Harper wouldn't be a very interesting intelligence target for NSA, everything else aside, because he's not really a garrulous politician. He's quite the opposite."

British newspaper The Guardian — citing documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden — reports that the NSA monitored the phone conversations of 35 world leaders after being given their numbers by an official in another U.S. government agency.

Wark has no trouble believing such accusations.

"Clearly the NSA is doing this and has been doing it, against a range of world leaders, including some surprising figures," he said.

"I just don't see Canada on their radar screens."

The prime minister's spokesman did not respond Friday to a request for comment.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird was coy when asked whether U.S. spies might be monitoring Canadian conversations about trade with the European Union or other matters of state.


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/ta...intelligence/9084129/story.html#ixzz2iwy7EEvI

AUSCANNZUKUS is a naval Command, Control, Communications and Computers (C4) interoperability organization involving the Anglosphere nations of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The acronym is also used as security caveat in the UKUSA Community, where it is also known as "Five Eyes".[


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And Canada can probably afford to supply their leader with a secure communications means other than an unencrypted cell phone.

 

Hmmm. I'm sure the German could also afford it , but perhaps naively didn't expect their "friendly" American ally to spy on them. I'm sure the Germans have now learnt not to place trust in Yankee friendship.


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Such "pockets" of anonymity are not practical solutions for the millions of users out there. Nor can those pockets expand to service the broader internet.

That a select few can leverage their technological understanding to remain somewhat anonymous is noteworthy but I for one do not believe it can scale up to the magnitude required to prevent the entrenched widespread digital spying that has become the norm. Not just for the NSA as I am absolutely confident that Germany and France and Russia and China and India and every nation with the technical capability is also heavily engaged in such activities.

 

Why on earth should anybody expect any government to not check up on their allies and to place their security on faith alone?

 

Well , perhaps being the sort of person you are, you can't conceive/ understand the meaning of trust + faith between friends.

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What are the moves being made against Bitcoin? Had a Google but couldn't find anything.