Did someone think 1984 was a blueprint....?

Perhaps living in a fantasy where nations are considered persons such as the place you do this would mean something but in reality, nations are not people with emotions such as love, hate, anger and lust but rather units of
usefulness to achieve comon goals for the people living there. As such, being 'pull my finger' friends is not in any sense of being.

That said, a nation is responsible for the safekeeping of the tax base and as such, should not trust their security to the words of any other government as to do so places the security outside of their control. If you believe that the US should place their secuity in the hands of the Germans then you have yet to make this case. Now is a good opportunity to do so.

 

We still occupy Germany. But the Germans expect us to NOT spy on them?

 

National Leaders/politician are not robots they are persons / with emotions such as love, hate, anger . and in most instances those people who consider them as national representative often share their representatives emotions/ aims / objectives etc.,

Plus as a matter of principals

":US spying: Britain forced to sign EU statement expressing 'deep concern'

Britain signs EU statement that is critical of US spying on European governments


Britain has been forced to "silently acquiesce" to a European Union statement expressing "deep concern" over American spying and intelligence operations that have undermined trust between Europe's governments.


Germany and France joined forces in the early hours of Friday morning to isolate Britain by demanding that United States sign a "code of conduct" with them and other EU countries to prevent American intelligence services spying on Europe.


Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, said new international agreements were needed to hold spy agencies in check, after it emerged on Thursday that her mobile phone was bugged by an American listening post in Berlin


"David Cameron was present at the discussion. He listened to it. He wasn't against it. That is silent acquiescence as far as I go," she said.

read more :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ign-EU-statement-expressing-deep-concern.html

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel demanded on Thursday that the United States strike a 'no-spying' agreement with Berlin and Paris by the end of the year, saying alleged espionage against two of Washington's closest EU allies had to be stopped.

Speaking after talks with EU leaders that were dominated by allegations that the US National Security Agency had accessed tens of thousands of French phone records and monitored Mrs Merkel's private mobile phone, the chancellor said she wanted action from President Barack Obama, not just apologetic words.


Germany and France would seek a "mutual understanding" with the United States on cooperation between their intelligence agencies, and other EU member states could eventually take part.


"That means a framework for cooperation between the relevant (intelligence) services. Germany and France have taken the initiative and other member states will join," she said.


In a statement issued after the first day of the summit, the EU's 28 leaders said they supported the Franco-German plan.

Read more :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-demands-action-from-US-to-rebuild-trust.html
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It looks like there's a chance of America becoming even more isolated if Obama continue to fail respecting America's friendship with Europe, a friendship America can ill-afford. .

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They spy themselves ...

 

US military bases in Germany has been obsolete/meaningless - since the demise of the USSR . Now just another drain on stupid US taxpayers .


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You did not make the case that a nation should place their security in the hands of another nation. Please do so and, show the document that provides for 'friendship' to replace the security needs of the US.

 

IN which way would you consider Germany's Chancellor + France's President's private communications a possible threat to US security ? Looks like your people in Washington have become chronic paranoids and you're following their example. ( LOL -

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"Trust but verify" I didn't place my trust in Germany but rather the USA. If I wanted Germany to be my guardian I would emigrate there and become a citizen.

LOL

Oh, hate to rain on your parade but they do it too as detailed above ..... and, below ....

 

Has to do with confiscation of bitcoins in possession of users of illegal sites. apparently there are a number of law suits going on wrt theses siezures in the US and in Poland AFAIK.

Legal precedences are in the process of being established, and I would suggest that if the current cases don't turn out the way the authorities like, there will be changes made to "confiscation powers" .

 

What part about "trust but verify" do you seem unable to grasp Marlowe?

LOL

 

Lets put it to the test ,Obama is the President of Truth ,something so patently false as to require ,the destruction of the Language to maintain.

Obama ,the Presidency of truth and Openess,see doesn't matter ,so its Spin Doctor double speak ,of the Purest 1984 type.

As if scripted as such!

Who is big brother ?

could we have the film footage on the death of OBL???

Or did it end up in the Ministry of information ,just down from the Ministry of Love ,GITMO Cuba!

 

perhaps because it was constitutionally guaranteed.

 

a government has to be granted the right, despite having ability.
You can go back to sleep now.

 

Actually, I agree with you. I don't really believe my own argument, I was just trying to save face.

 

"America" are getting all the blame for this, and yet....


Israel and not America was behind the hacking of millions of French phones, it was claimed today.


In the latest extraordinary twist in the global eavesdropping scandal, Israeli agents are said to have intercepted more than 70 million calls and text messages a month.


Up until now the French have been blaming the U.S., even summoning the country’s Paris ambassador to provide an explanation.

But today’s Le Monde newspaper provides evidence that it was in fact Israeli agents who were listening in.


France first suspected the U.S. of hacking into former president Nicolas Sarkozy’s communications network when he was unsuccessfully trying for re-election in 2012.


Intelligence officials Bernard Barbier and Patrick Pailloux travelled from Paris to Washington to demand an explanation, but the Americans hinted that the Israelis were to blame.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Extraordinary-twist-spying-saga-revealed.html

 

I think that the ppl that are afraid from all these phone tapping are ppl that society wants them to be afraid, radicals, haters, anarchists, terrorists and other crap, yes, big brother is watching over you and you should be afraid.....

 

On the contrary, as more people get wise to the game, it is those that are doing such things and their kind who need to be afraid.

Make hay while the sun shines for it shall not shine on you forever...

 

You are your own enemy Jack, you define you're own darkness with each and every Israeli or Jewish sucess story, it will never be "OK" for you, no rest for the obsessed.

 

Not at all.

Oddly enough people and countries don't want their private life invaded by Jews.

If that makes it "dark", so be it.

 

Let me know when you are content then

If it was Catholic Irish would that be OK ?

 

Germans know full well how their country turned into a police state under Hitler. Maybe Americans take this spying thing a little too nonchalantly, but Germans are still very sensitive to it. And it doesn't matter what Americans think about spying on our allies. What matters is how our non-government allied citizens feel about having their personal conversations spied on. Government's may know the game, but most citizens still want their government, and their allies government, to be trustworthy. When you learn you can't even trust your friends, the world becomes one big paranoia cesspool.

 

Which Germans?

 

60 million Spanish telephone calls monitored in a month. ????

Editorial in El Mundo: "The massive spying on Spanish citizens requires a strong response from the authorities... The foreign ministry should raise a formal complaint. Mariano Rajoy should join France and Germany in their initiatives. And as early as [Monday], the public prosecutor should denounce the NSA 'for violation of the privacy of millions of Spaniards, which is punishable by up to four years in prison under Article 197 of the Penal Code'."

Editorial in La Vanguardia: "The erosion of transatlantic confidence is evident and there may be significant consequences for the future of democracy unless a solution is found more or less immediately... In the coming days, a European delegation will visit President Obama to ask him about the background to the espionage. That should be the time to rebuild lost trust in each other."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24708410


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LOL

 

For all we know it could be theatre and mind games.

Make people on edge by "leaking" out these huge figures.

They then self censor, maybe subconsciously?