Do African Americans Exercise Free Thought?

Incredibly silly.

So, the fact that 90% of white voters in Mississippi supported Romney indicates that they did so mindlessly? And Mormons' votes for Willard at around 80% means they were only marginally more thoughtful than the white folk of the Magnolia State?

Would 50% of German Jews supporting the Third Reich have identified them as thoughtful individuals?

In general, vast majorities concurring are generally confirmatory of the truth of a proposition. The earth's orbit results in the sun's being perceived as rising in the East by virtually everyone. If 50% were to guess that it is seen as rising in the West, they might be celebrated as individual thinkers, but they would also be dead wrong.

 

You honestly believe rich white left wing politicians care about black people?

 

I will say it is amazing how much importance blacks place on jesse Jackson's opinion and how any black againt liberal views is an uncle Tom
Bencarson
Sowell
Cain

 

Nothing unnatural about it. If more whites voted in their own best interests, there'd be nothing left of Republicanism. Where 'groupthink' comes into play is when you can convince a whole coterie of people to vote for platitudinous horse pucky.

 

Angry white guys just need to disparage Black Americans, apparently.

Ninety percent of the AWGs probably don't even realize why that ugly trait contributes to Democratic candidates like Gore or Kerry or Obama being deemed the superior choice by 90% of the people whom they demean.

 

If 90% of white voters in Mississippi did in fact vote for Romney, then absolutely that would be an example of groupthink. Of course that didn't happen, and as such Im trying to figure out why you are trying to imply it did.

Mormons voting 78% for Romney is without question an example of free thought, as is the customary 75-25 vote for homosexuals for Democrats. With African Americans, Mormons, and Homosexuals, I would expect huge majorities for their respective parties. 1 of those three however, do not seem to exercise the same diversity of thought.

Any % of German Jews supporting the Third Reich would be idiotic, because there isn't really room for diversity of thought when the stated goal is literally your extermination. Trying to imply there is an analogy between the Third Reich and the nuanced world of American politics is really just silly and inflammatory.

American Politics isn't about "truth of a propostion"; it is about interpretations of many shades of gray. Many shades of gray leaves lots of room for interpretation from a diverse population. 90% plus from a group as diverse as African Americans, is not an example of free thought and expression of the very diversity that permeates that same group.

 

AWGs just believe in 'equality'. Like after 400 years of slavery where you could be flogged for being caught with book, and another 150 years of bullcrap substandard education, we should all start out equally.

 

Your denial notwithstanding, that would be because it did, of course:

Bush won 86% of Mississippi’s white vote in 2004, McCain won 88% in 2008, and Romney carried 90% in 2012.

If you feel you must dismiss any widespread agreement that does not comport with your personal biases as whatever you decide is "groupthink", doing so may serve your agenda, but would be regarded as silly by at least 90% of independent thinkers.

 

No is says not-guilty there is a difference. The author of this interpreted this. Some believed he was framed because there was evidence of that.

But you are suggesting that blacks don't do that. I say you are wrong. You use an arbitrary percentage. But what this examples shows that very few Jews would get beyond anyone who is labeled an Islamist just like most blacks can't get beyond the idea that someone could be a Republican. Nuance doesn't matter in each case. How is it different.

You call it a rubber stamp simply suggesting blacks are dumb sheep. But here is why turn out is important. If the same electorate as 2004 voted in 2008 we might have seen the same percentages as normal of the African American vote going to the Democrat, somewhere between 78-85% but Obama inspired people who would normally not vote to vote. They add to the number but if 100% of them voted for Obama it would raise the entire percentage of the black vote.

Then stop stating it as a fact...







Indeed this is a conversation worth having. Because YOU deem it a failure, doesnt make it so however.

- - - Updated - - -

Be careful the right wing here seem to be unable to understand facts and analogies.

 

AWGs' are confronted with demographics that get them in a tizzy: An increasingly diverse populace coupled with better-educated, more tolerant, younger folks disposes them to coalesce and withdraw into an homogenous conformity of fear and resentment where individual, analytical thought is rare.

Their inability to cope with reality was encapsulated by their retreat into their zany "birther" conspiracy, and what has followed has only consisted of variations on that refusal to acknowledge a reality they find upsetting.

Many were so alienated from the American public that they actually expected Willard to win in a landslide, a fantasy normal folks found quite bizarre.

 

I wasn't aware of that voting pattern in Mississippi. I guess we can both be in agreement that IS an example of groupthink, that subverts the free thought that would otherwise manifest itself amongst a diverse populace.

Huge majorities are one thing. 90% plus is in another stratosphere. You could have ten people witness the same crime, and you wouldn't get agreement from 9 of them as to exactly what happened.

 

I think it's a lot harder for them to because there is such a tremendous amount of social pressure put on them to fall in line with the herd and not question anything. It takes an insane amount of balls to stand up to that kind of pressure and say, "Hey, I disagree. I think this instead."

That's why I think the gutsiest people in America today are black conservatives. Not just because I happen to agree with their views, but because I recognize how much strength it takes to stand up to people that claim to believe in freedom of choice but will be absolutely ruthless toward you if you choose something different than agreeing with them.

 

Uh, the Republicans are the only people today focusing on that aspect of Dr. King's message. That's why they don't support social double standards or victimhood policies. Conversely, the Democrats address people as groups rather than individuals.

 

My bad, I had two links and gave you the wrong one. This references a Gallup poll that clearly delineates innocent and guilty. Truth is though, this tangent about defining not guilty or innocent really has nothing to do with the subject in this thread.

http://articles.philly.com/1995-10-01/news/25697504_1_simpson-trial-whites-nicole-brown-simpson

I am a little confused to which you are referencing here...I am assuming you are referencing the conversation about German Jews. The implication that African Americans voting in the United States would have the same clarity of opinion that German Jews would against the Third Reich is simply preposterous. Deep down, even you know that's foolish and not analogous.

Rubber Stamp, groupthink....I'm not concerned about the title, it is the concept that I am conveying that really matters. I didn't say dumb...you did. I did say they are not exercising independent thought. If you want to call that dumb....that is on you. Once again, voter turnout is a non sequitur to the subject being discussed

It is abundantly clear that this thread is an opinion. One would have to be a functional idiot to not understand that which is blatantly obvious. Perhaps in this case I have over estimated you as the reader.

 

The reality is they jes' ain't gettin' their country back. I'd probably be upset, too, if I ever wanted a country like that.

 

What a marvelous example of idiocy.

Tell me, what percentage of people who self identify as Tea Party supporters vote Democratic?

People, of whatever race, of whatever group, vote what they believe to be their interests.

If you have a problem with those nasty brown people not voting for Republicans, take a look at the cesspool you find yourself swimming in.

One of your leading potential candidates for president in 2016 stated he would have opposed the Civil Rights Act.
Over the last two years in state after state led by Republicans there were concerted efforts deny voting rights to people based on race.
Not very long ago the Republican Senate Majority Leader declared that the 1948 candidate for president under the segregationist Dixiecrat banner was "right all along."

In 1964 the Republicans made the decision that their party's future lay with the white southern racists. This is simply the fruit of your poisoned tree.

 

I would agree completely. I am not even saying that I blame any individual that might economically support rightist policies and still vote Democrat, because I understand the pressure and stigma they face. The fact that they face this type of get in line dogma I see as the larger evil, as opposed to blaming any individual.

I would also put Republican voting homosexuals in the same courageous category as conservative blacks.

 

What percentage of Tea Party supporters vote democratic?......I dont know, but my guess would be close to zero. Of course you ARE talking about a group( tea party) aligned solely based on common political beliefs, as opposed to an entire diverse population as is the case with African Americans. If we were talking about 95% of Democrats voting Democrat, this wouldnt exactly be an issue. To imply that there is a correlation with Tea Partiers ( Political Group) with African Americans ( Race) is the only marvelous example of idiocy on this particular page.

 

I believe Tea Party people vote what they believe to be their interests. I believe African Americans vote based on what they believe to be their interests.

To believe otherwise is simply racist.

100 years ago most African Americans voted Republican because they believed it was in their interests.

If you want to change the way people of color vote, clean the turds out of your pool.

 

Oh yeah, they're just 'terrible' human beings; worse than most others. We know that's a "fact". (Not.)

 

Oh yeah... we're FAR worse than the KKK!!

I mean, compared to the average "Black" person, most other human beings look like pure angels. (I know... it's so sad.)

 

Let me rephrase this because you seem to be having difficulty comprehending this very obvious distinction. Tea Partiers are a group aligned solely by their like political beliefs. As such, of course they would vote in nearly 100% unison. One would also logically expect Greenpeace members to also vote in almost unison, since the basis of their grouping is specifically their political beliefs. African Americans on the other hand, are a diverse race of people that are not aligned due to their political beliefs. Their only alignment is in fact the color of their skin. I believe in individuals. The notion that skin color determines almost automatically how one defines their "interests", I find to be insulting.

 

Now, it is highly likely, that YOU either cannot or will not zoom OUT of your own agenda long enough or far enough, to realize just how RACIST what you say above actually is.

Then... you wonder why I and few others will not be tolerant of the BS you are posting.

Come on; be reasonable, please.

 

Amen. It is as clear and simple as you just explained it.

You said it so well, the Republicans should pass it out as a 'placard' attached to that post-2012 "autopsy" they supposedly performed upon their Party.

Again, I say, AMEN!!

 

I guess we can't because I recognize your arbitrary "groupthink" label is nonsense.

Individuals within any arbitrarily-defined group can agree, and frequently do, based upon personal perceptions and analysis that results in a shared preference.

Over 90% of blue collar workers might choose a sirloin steak over boiled tripe, but I would credit each with forming an individual preference, and not assume that the Borg must have integrated them all.

The Pew Hispanic Center estimates from its exit poll analysis that Latinos voted 71 to 27 percent for Obama over Romney. Exit polling by The New York Times showed Asian-Americans voted for Obama over Romney 73 percent to 26 percent.

Unless you feel compelled to accuse both Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans of evidencing your "groupthink," it would logically follow that a maximum of approximately 20% of Black Americans would by subject to your peculiar indictment. Which voters would they be, specifically?

I'm not sure what the threshold is before you consign all voters within an arbitrary segment to your "groupthink" category, but only the percentage of voters that exceed whatever percentage strikes your fancy would be targeted by your accusation, of course.

Silly, isn't it?