Do you believe in, 'white male privilege'?

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  1. reallybigjohnson

    reallybigjohnson Banned

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    The problem with "white privilige" is that it ignores actual facts. The most successful ethnic groups in this country are in fact NOT white. Asians, Middle Easterner etc all do better than whites economically and educationally. Its not a coincidence that those groups almost never whine and complain about how everyone is out to put them down like blacks do in this country. In fact even blacks coming from the Caribbean and Africa do better than whites.

    The only people that use "white privilege" are racists and losers.

    That being said Louis CK had a very funny take on it.
     
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    None of the above.
     
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    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I don't care about affirmative action except that it is used to turn black citizens into punching bags when other races benefit far more from it. Opportunities should be based on merit and not on preference for any race or gender. Exemptions should apply to certain industries of course.
     
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    It exists only insofar as all types of discrimination can exist and can happen in individual circumstances. It is not universal to all white males. The US President loves hanging out with black people, so you could say he is racist in regards to exerting black privilege. The only argument for the size of the white male privilege is the assumption all white males are a group - which they are not. It is natural for males to compete, so ANY difference is used to discriminate in those circumstances. The white male myth is just a convenient mistruth used by people with bones to pick to prop up their own bigotry to counter the perceived individual injustice by creating their own group to contrast and counter attack the individual action of it which might occur. It fails to realize it suffers overreach and begins to exert its own racism because it makes sweeping assumptions in its efforts to define its own group as distinct from other people - but they confuse that their efforts to define themselves as a group to counter individuals, then goes on to discriminate against innocent people who might fall into the simplified characterstics used by the group to demonize the non-group members.

    Affirmative action has its place, but it is easy to be abused. It is required to counter-established systematic discrimination which cannot be adequately addressed by individuals changing their views of behaviour. It is designed to change a group's established dynamic by force, as a last resort. It's proper application represents a failure of those people to whom its being exerted in managing it themselves. It should not be about normalizing characteristics in populations of groups for the sake of appearance or statistics - if it is, then you just need to get better equal opportunity practitioners who actually have half a clue about what they are doing.
     
  5. ryobi

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    Like the NBA??? 75 % of the players in the NBA are black and black people only make up 13% of the population????

    Personally, I'd love to play a game for half the year and get millions of dollars for doing it.
     
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    So you don't believe what Martin Luther King JR believed that people should be judged based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin????
     
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    I was not aware that all the black players in the NBA were affirmative action athletes. Well, if the NBA is nothing more than an AA sport, then AA is much needed. Because without it, Black athletes would only be decently represented in the NFL. Seeing that there are 10s and 10s of sports that can be played in the America, the black population isn't represented well at all.
     
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    LOL, and tax payer funded rental payments, food stamps, help to pay for their offspring because baby daddy bailed,
     
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    The problem is you are confusing race with class. Look up who benefits from all these people on welfare (big banks). Look who's paying the bill (the middle class of all races who pay taxes).
     
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    I see what you're saying. I was speaking to the major misconception that is affirmative action of black people supposedly being the biggest beneficiaries, when that is the furthest thing from the truth.
     
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    Privilege is a poor choice of words, I think. I would say most definitely they have an advantage by being white.
     
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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    Yes, this is part of it. Most of the anger comes from- and has always come from- people who feel their control over society is slipping away. It has always been about maintaining control using racism and/or force, be it the Native Americans or the Blacks. Donald Trump, indeed, does what Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, and similar people have done. He gives voice to their anger and frustrations, and plays upon their egotistical delusions.

    I'd say this is scary times. All politicians play their base, sure, but when a man can get up there and say the crudest, vilest things and be pushed to the White House, it reflects a volatile pressure in society building up. It's not going to be based on reason...on sense...but passion, frustration, rage.Even if Trump doesn't win...troubles on the way.
     
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    Yes it is widely acknowledged that blacks are the biggest beneficiaries. Whites don't get help based on skin color. We got to do it on our own and then we are told we are privileged.

     
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    False. The biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action is a toss up between white men and white women.
     
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    Yes Hitler and other dictators promised prosperity of the people, much like Obama did. Anyone who believes that government can legislate their prosperity is being taken for a politicians "useful idiot". I do not see Trump supporters asking for a handout unlike Sanders supporters.

    Trump is railing against government taking too much from the people, anger toward the government. I don't expect anyone who looks to government to save them to see it.

     
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    I'm a women from a low middle class if not poor background and never got help. No one I know did either. Also we were not raise, nor were anyone around us raised that we were entitled to it. We had to do it on our own.

    Affirmative action in the United States tends to focus on issues such as education and employment, specifically granting special consideration to racial minorities, Native Americans, and women who have been historically excluded groups in America. Reports have shown that minorities and women have faced discrimination in schools and businesses for many years and this discrimination produced unfair advantages for whites and males in education and employment

     
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    Sort of.

    I don't think its a free ticket or anything, but its a little easier to get into the real game.

    On the other side, if your a lowborn white the safety nets are few and far between. No loser is quite so universally despised as a white male one.
     
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    I don't disagree with anything here. My issue is this:

    When analyst report on who the biggest beneficiaries of AA are, the results vary between white men and white women. So, I never understood how black people became the face of AA when they benefit the least from it. Black people are the punching bag for something pretty much every other minority benefits more from. That's the part I have problems with.
     
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    Yep, and yep. Whites don't defend loser white people that's for sure.
     
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    When I was little my dad company went on strike. My dad was furious because he had a family to feed and he wanted to work. Unfortunately he had no choice. He tried to get help and was denied. My neighbor who's husband was very sick who had kids to support couldn't get help either. The family didn't get help even after he passed away. My elderly mom, who worked but can't anymore can get help. But there are the losers who get all the help.

    I've never seen anyone in our white neighborhood get a dime of help even during very bad times. We had to do it on our own.
     
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    You can thank liberals for that because every time someone talks about ending affirmative action liberals immediately point to black people and say that the need it to make up for slavery and the Jim Crow days.

    If you want to level the playing field then remove the gender and race check marks on all forms that human resources might look at before hiring someone.
     
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    Actually that is true just like they point to blacks while saying it's too hard for them to get a voter ID. Democrats make blacks sound like invalids. Strangely many will defend Democrat put downs. I never understood that.

     
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    I take note of both these things. I also note that this major misconception is never addressed on the spot whenever it's brought up in MSM.
     
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    I would be offended but MSNBC and black leaders keep spouting these things. A lie repeated over and over again will be believed by people who live on excuses.
     
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    How are white males privileged when white male is the only race and gender combination not protected by the constitution???
     

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