Does a higher education make you smarter? Is liberals really smarter?

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  1. IMMensaMind

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    No, I claimed your post was condescending because you chose to open it by attacking the grammar and sentence structure of the OP in an attempt to elevate yourself to the erudite position you believe you hold, and then followed your opening salvo with a missive bloviating on the stupidity of Trump followers seeking some psychological escape as a consequence of some mental shortcoming.

    False dichotomy. Third option: I chose to understand the point the OP was trying to make, and the underlying reason for doing so.

    What's irrational is your parsing of my question in an intentionally obtuse way. No doubt you get more stupid as you get less willing to confront what I said.

    :lol:

    You think that people can't see through this bullshit you're farting out?

    I'm 50. Add that to the rapidly growing pile of mistaken crap you're ladling.
     
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    Not necessarily smarter, but college graduates tend to have more well rounded areas of knowledge. I mean some of the most brilliant mechanics I have ever encountered were high school dropouts. You would have a hard time teaching some of the technical skills such people have. In those areas, they are smarter, but I am guessing they would have a negative in front of their score on every round of Jeopardy. Likewise, undoubtedly the very smartest person I know who has a phd in something chemistry related and works in something involving pollutants in the body at the cellular level has perhaps a 4th grader's ability to function in normal every day life they are so clueless.
     
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    Connect the dots? The dots of Trump's behavior and performance both prior to and after the election would suggest that not only did Trumpets fail to connect the dots, but that apparently they have a hard time spelling the word "dots" at the same time.

    My income is in the top 5% and growing. I have advanced degrees. Yet, I did not vote for Trump, because he said and did dumb things on the campaign trail, completely disqualified himself in the process. His behavior and actions subsequent to the election, have done nothing but bore out my predictions about his potential performance as President. He's been an abysmal failure as President thus far and that is not subjective opinion - that is objective fact. All one need do is simply open their eyes and look (observe) what he has done thus far. Absolutely, nothing other that make a US Supreme Court appointment. Outside of that 'major accomplishment' he's been nothing short of a total embarrassment to the country.

    I've got business partners in Canada, South Africa, Singapore, Italy and India. We can't begin a video teleconference without spending 20 minutes on Trump's behavior and them asking me what the hell is going on over here in America. They think we have lost our collective mind electing this hyperbolic narcissist.

    I think you need to get around the world and do some traveling. We look as if we have just fallen off the hinges around the world. I constantly have to apologize for the behavior of our President, to people that live in other countries - because his behavior has been so egregious and so pathologically warped.
     
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    Speaking of pathologically warped...

    Do you know how psychiatrists describe those who cannot help self-aggrandizing? What makes you think that your income is important here? Or even special?
     
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    I called out the grammar and you took it as an attack. Assuming facts not in evidence does nothing to promote your underlying failed premise.


    A false dichotomy is precisely what the OP put forth! Again, are you so blind, or just so hypocritical? Take your pick but either way, you still drink your own poison.


    Only someone who fails to correct themself after having their question highlighted as being irrational and illogical, would ever conclude that their question was intentional parsed. Parsing for the purpose of correction is valid. Complaining that you got parsed as a method of escaping your own incompetence is invalid. Stop the pretense. You are not smart because you think that you can evade your own error. If you get caught in error, simply correct it and move on.

    I am beginning to understand now exactly why you support Donald Trump. You see yourself in him. You double down on self-inflicted wounds exactly like Trump. He does the exact same thing. He says something completely irrational and wholly illogical, gets called on the carpet for it, then points the finger of blame at others for his own mistake. Serendipity? Or, Blowback? You decide.


    I don't even think you believe that nonsense. The record is clear and here for everyone to read. It is you who are making illogical and irrational statements. I simply highlighted them and brought them to the floor as the basis for why your underlying premise makes no sense. When you begin with a false predicate, you will always end up with an equally false conclusion.


    Yet, your written prose are that of a 12 year old. Get over the fact that you have a hard time constructing a logical, coherent, rational and intelligible juxtaposition. You asked a question that has no answer because it was circular. Your question defeated itself and your conclusion is wholly subjective as it never posits a positive causation. Without causation you cannot arrive at net effect.

    The only effect that is disconnected from causation is the one you fabricate in your own hallucinogenic mind. Donald Trump, LOVES to do this and I am seeing this same pathological pattern in his supporters, the Trumpets.
     
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    Conservatives don't get degrees and stay poor
     
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    What for it.... Wait for it....

    Bingo! The Trumpet speaks. Let a Trumpet tell it. Yes, Donald Trump, should know everything there is about self-aggrandizement, shouldn't he? He has written the book on self-aggrandizement. He still tours the country talking about his "Crowd Size" lie. He's still in campaign mode reminding his Trumpets he won by a landslide - never mentioning the fact that he lost the Popular Vote. This is the only President in the history of the country's modern era that cares more about himself and his business interests than the actual nation he was charged with leading.

    Because, you broached the subject and implied a false syllogism that links income to intelligence and intelligence to a vote/support for Trump. Do you not even proof read your own posts for logical inconsistency? If you don't even know what you just posted, or that you implied the connecting of dots would somehow lead to intelligent people having higher incomes and voting for Trump, then I would strongly suggest that you review your posts before you make them.
     
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    LOL :)

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    You wouldn't happen to be that guy I talked to that day by chance? Like I say, a lot of folk haven't any common sense!
     
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    That away Katgar, never pass up a chance to look ignorant, right ;)
     
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    """"Is liberals really smarter?"""""


    THAT says it all.........:roflol: ""Ugh, me hates ejookation...""
     
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    If you found it easy to pass, you're either a genius, or you choose an academically bankrupt major--what was it? How much hard science did you have to take? How much math? What kind of math?

    Regardless, all else equal, the person with the degree is going to get the job over the person without one. I know of few total idiots with degrees. I know a lot of total idiots with partial degrees.
     
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    College algebra is simple stuff. Why weren't you taking trigonometry and calculus? No wonder you thought college was easy, you took slacker classes.
     
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    Nice anecdotes, but the plural of anecdotes is not data.
    Steve Jobs went to college (he didnt' graduate, but he started). Steve Wozniak, the real genius in Apple, graduated from UC Berkley.

    Here are relatively current stats of education vs unemployment rate and median weekly earnings. College is definitely worth it statistically.
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    Blablabla, empty wind with "travel more" condescension thrown in to boot. Educated people and the top three income quintiles voted for outsider Trump 1. because of his repeated policy positions that they agree on (which of course you ignore entirely), and 2. because the thought of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat machine politician in the WH (again) was unpalatable.

    Trump's administration is proceeding according to plan, with accomplishments I could list but won't as you and yours would rather go on about "Trumpets," and hilariously projective armchair personality diagnoses. No one cares about your income, your "business partners" or your sackcloth and ashes "apologies." People in the legitimate private sector don't have time to open conference calls with whinging about the President because there is real work to be done. I don't doubt, however, that people in collectivist countries who are used to passing the check to the U.S. are disturbed by a private sector outsider like Trump and what that means for their grafty gravy troughs.
     
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    maybe give a spelling class a shot?
     
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    It might be worth it as long as you don't let them pollute your mind with PC liberal BS.
     
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    This one got one and is rich af
     
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    Not true.

    Being highly educated in fields that indoctrinate will certainly push someone to liberal views, as that is the whole point.

    Being highly educated in technical fields usually leaves someone with conservative views.

    Virtually everyone I met in my engineering classes was a conservative.
     
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    Congratulations
     
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    I'm not so sure that your view can be universally applied. You see in every area of the country where scientific and engineering innovation is happening, those areas are dominated by liberal politics. Of the ten most educated congressional districts, nine are represented by Democrats. The tenth one is currently unrepresented.

    I have a degree in physics and I am quite liberal as are the vast majority of physicists.

    It seems that many conservatives, in their never ending quest to unfoundly disparage liberals, fail to see that liberalism is, and always has been, an outgrowth of the scientific worldview.
     
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    Those studies are idiots, and need a better education.

    I know (personally) several PhDs who are most decidedly NOT liberals. I know multiple post-grads working as surgeons, lawyers, medical specialists, mathematicians, etc ... and all conservative. And I know a Trump supporter who regards a PhD as kindergarten. He is so educated that he has expertise only a handful of people worldwide have. OTOH, I also know a few arts grads who are as dumb as bricks when it comes to useful information and the practical application of same. But they skim The Guardian, so you know ... geniuses!

    My guess is your studies were nowhere near balanced in terms of sample structure.
     
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    Interesting. Every educated conservative I know (and I only know educated conservatives ... not the redneck variety) is educated in STEM. Some of my liberal associates are STEM too, of course. Not suggesting otherwise.
     
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    But of course, indoctrination and education are two different things. Liberals prove this every day. Or as alluded to in Romans 1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
     
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