Don to despots......you can kill journalists if you buy our weapons.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No on the "younger".part. I would, however, seriously question your understanding of Economics. .You are talking about two different things. One is the economic might of the U.S. That is unquestionable. At least at this point. A different matter is the increasing income gap. That needs to be solved. We were on our way to alleviating it during the Obama era. Before Trump undermined the efforts. But it will continue after we have our "Enlightenment Period". Also questionable is your obvious lack of understanding of U.S. politics. No. That would not be a primary factor in Trump's election.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What are you talking about? What Saudi money "destroyed" U.S. politics?
     
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    The reality is if Kheshoggi were a white christian, Riyad would be nuked already.
     
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    Let's not forget that not long ago the U.S ambassador to Libya was sodomised,butt raped and killed like a dog before the eyes of the whole world and the previous administration did nothing.Reality check for you.
     
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    The money in general.Most U.S polticians are owned by their 'donors' so they do not represent the people who elected them.Get it?If Democrats and Obama were doing a good job they would not have lost the congress, the senate and the presidency.One big failure on their behalf.Your ignorance regarding the U.S middle class is simply shocking.I can only assume that you are a fake American.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What an absolutely idiotic comparison. A sanctioned murder by a government vs. an act of terrorism.
     
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    That is not reality.
     
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    Let's not forget that Obama and Hillary were instrumental in overthrowing legitimate Libyan government.The people who killed the U.S ambasdador are the very same people who were armed and trained by the Obama's administration.Hillary used to call them freedom fighters.
     
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    Do you deny that you would care just a little bit more?
     
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    No.....Trump would sell out a white Christian USA citizen.....his son even, to ensure he brokered a deal worth $B110. That is what he (virtually) has said.
     
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    The whole EU has a biggest economy than the US, I don't know if it would be still true with the Brexit, but it's internal division make it much weaker.

    I don't think that you recovered from the damage that caused Bush.

    But for a lot of reasons, even during the time of Obama, the USA has lost of its political power it had for instance in 2000.

    Even if you have a huge economy, your economy is extremly dependant of the chinese one.
     
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    Probably not. I know we are not going to nuke someone over something like this.
     
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    I don't get it at all. If Hillary had accepted campaign donations from Saudis, she'd be in jail. It's illegal. And the donors do own them. This is why the majority of donations Democrats get come from a large number of small donations from the people. The majority of donations Republicans get come from billionaires. Though none of them Saudi. Unless you know something we don't.

    I don't even know what a "fake American" is. What is it you think I don't know about the U.S. middle class? You are making zero sense. If you weren't just babbling you would have answered that question without my even needing to ask it.

    Your comment about Obama is extremely naive. It doesn't even require an understanding of American politics. Just of... politics in general. We know Obama did a good job with the Economy because he recovered us from the second worst financial crisis in American History. Believing that that's the only issue voters base their vote on indicates that you are not very familiar with how politics, in general (not just American politics), work.
     
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    Not true even without Brexit. EU estimated economy as a whole in 2018 is $18.8 Trillion U.S. economy is $20.4 Trillion.

    And theirs in ours. All large economies are extremely dependent on each other.
     
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    My bad so.

    Yes, by the way.
     
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    I think this is an important point some tend to either forget or don't understand. The United States is now "first among equals." The EU Asia and US are nearly at parity economically. They are dependent on one another and linked by common interests.

    The shining castle on the hill is no longer the US. Our moral authority in the world has been shattered by the current administration. The recent, very public, atrocity by the Saudis may have some daylight; the US may find its conscience again.
     
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    Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. That we know.

    Saudi Arabia originally denied knowing anything about the disappearance of Khashoggi. They said he left the consulate.

    As it stands right now, we have Saudi Arabia murdering a legal American resident and a reporter for the Post. The Saudis committed the dastardly deed within a Saudi consulate, and the Saudis are investigating the murder.

    This is okay with our SecState, Mike Pompeo. Pompeo said that Saudi officials told him during a visit to the kingdom this week that "they will conduct a complete, thorough investigation of all of the facts surrounding Mr. Khashoggi, and that they will do so in a timely fashion."

    The U.S. wants to "allow the process to play out," Pompeo added. The murder took place sixteen days ago.

    Apparently, Pompeo, acting on instructions from Trump, want to give the Saudis time to come up with a reasonable story to suit the needs of Washington and Riyadh. Currently, the Saudis (and Trump?) are looking at a general to blame. This may or may not fly.

    The New York Times reports, "American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is culpable in the killing of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, an appraisal that poses challenges to a White House intent on maintaining a close relationship with the kingdom. Intelligence agencies have not yet been able to collect direct evidence of the prince’s involvement, American officials said.

    "But intelligence agencies have growing circumstantial evidence of the prince’s involvement — including the presence of members of his security detail and intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a possible plan to detain Mr. Khashoggi, according to American officials.

    "Officials have also said the prince’s complete control over the security services makes it highly unlikely that an operation would have been undertaken without his knowledge."

    Trump and his sycophant, Pompeo, seem perfectly happy to accept the prince's assessment of all this, and Trump is unwilling to use American intelligence to uncover the truth. Nevertheless, our intell agencies are assessing the prince's involvement independently. Trump may or may not accept their report. He has rejected American intelligence in the past ... most notably at Helsinki in July.
     
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    Since when does anyone expect the accused murderer to do the investigation and expect anything real to come of it?
     

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