Donald Idiot on Finland Fires prevention.

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  1. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the research you did. It is pretty informative. I work with several timber companies and I have found that they have always had a long term look at economics. You almost have to look long term when you have a 40 to 50 year crop cycle for trees. Since I am a land surveyor and mark boundary lines for timber harvest, I would venture to say the sample of commercial timber owners I see could be skewed to the more responsible side. After all, an irresponsible owner will cut trees over their property lines and the more responsible owners would spend the money to mark their lines.

    Since my home is on the acreage of the tree farm, I clean the forest floor as an act of self-preservation and also to be a responsible neighbor. If my forest burns, so will my neighbor's.
     
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    I would agree with you in a general way, with one caveat. Private owners who see timber as a crop or an investment, as a general rule, really do their best to maintain a healthy forest. It is in their own best interest in that there will eventually be a financial payout. Private owners who intend to never cut a tree just let the forest turn to an unhealthy mess. Why invest time and energy to something that manny people see as almost a fence to seperate yourself from your neighbors?
     
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    I am no expert on this topic, but we both know that logging companies used to simply clear cut... which was certainly not a practice of sustainable forestry. And, when we look at general corporate practices, our economic system puts an extereme focus on growth of quarterly profits.

    If there were a company with large and valuable old growth forests... and if the management significantly sacraficed quarterly profits for vague long term value... the result often has been the company being bought out by Wall Street corporate raiders who go in and deliver immediate results by what ever means... sustainable or not.

    And if a company is leasing cutting rights to national or state forests... they will lobby the government and give campaign donations to try to deliver maximum near term profits. And of course local communities which earn their livelihood via logging employment will likewise have a strong bias in favor of near term logging employment vs sustainable forestry practices.

    It is not dissimilar to what happened to fishing stocks.... the near term economic bias is to fish towards destruction of the fishing resource... even if everyone understands the peril of unsustainable fishing practices in theory

    Things almost always are the way they are for understandable, if not admirable reasons. If our forestry practices are not the greatest..., this is because some people are convince these practices are in their own narrow best interests. Not unlike wall street bankers who earned large bonuses driving the economy off a cliff in 2008
     
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    That was on their own land that they owned. And they replanted a tree for every tree they harvested.

    But before the liberal environmentalist got it wrong starting in the 1970's, the USFS use to mark trees that needed to be cut down by loggers.

    It kept the forest healthy.

    Today there are to many trees in the national forest and federal lands where the trees are competing with each other and have become weak and bark beetle food.

    Prescribed burns (controlled burns) were declared to be politically incorrect along with brush removal (clearing) along with maintained fire roads and fire breaks.

    Last year after the "Car Fire" in Northern California both the USFS and Cal-Fire went public because of all of the stupid regulations especially in California when there is a fire all of the fire truck trails/roads have been allowed to be overgrown with brush and the fire breaks were not maintained they just can't get to the fires to bring them under containment fast enough.
     
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    They still do all that stuff. Where do you get the nonsense that they don't from?
    all of that has been a FUNDING PROBLEM CAUSED BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS.
     
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    Living in the National Forest where under Obama for eight years not one dime was spent on brush removal or prescribed burns where I was.

    But when Trump's budget kicked in earlier this tear...brush clearing and prescribed burns began.

    The Trump administration will conduct 200,000 acres of prescribed burns and want that increased to 500,000 acres per year with in four years.

    But there's a Catch-22, Congress controls the purse strings and with Democrats gaining control of the House, supporting illegal aliens may likely trump our forest.
     

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