Donald Trump’s Apology Tour

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  1. PeppermintTwist

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    Trump is a traitor which no other so called commander in chief ever was. Putin has managed to install an agent of his in The White House and no Trump fan has any rational or intelligible defense for this treasonous unfolding of events so fold 'em already .
     
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    Perhaps the most naive, simplistic comment a prez has ever uttered is, "it's a good thing if the US and Russia have better relations." Of course it would be. But the comment ignores the obvious. Russia is our enemy. And until Russia stops acting like our enemy, and the enemy of our friends (although you'd never know the European countries are our friends by the way President Dotard talks), we need to make it clear the US is not interested in becoming friends. Not until Russia stops the cyber attacks, stops trying to control Syria, stops killing journalists and political enemies of Putin, stops annexing sovereign nations, stops trying to subvert democracy around the globe.
     
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    Speaking of disabilities......

    Hey Twist, you are like Maxine Waters, keep typing and don't stop.
     
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    Lol no
     
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    LOL, a staunch supporter of the pathological-liar-in chief has zero standing to criticize anyone else for not being honest.
     
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    The funny part is they never have the acumen to catch their own irony.
     
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    Contesting the judiciary is not undermining it. If a judge isn't used to being contested by the defendant, he shouldn't be a judge. So let's cross that one out. It's disingenuous and self-serving. You wanna know what's really undermining the judiciary? Giving a redacted order to a judge is the definition of undermining the judiciary. Filing a motion for a trial, and not being prepared for it(Facebook case) is the DEFINITION of undermining the judiciary. There's been more legal underhandedness against the judiciary by the Government-appointed attorney's, than by Donald J. Trump.

    I've noticed something about Trump antagonists: You tend to blame Trump, for the problems and woes of other people. It's not Trump's fault that these news stations continue to print false and misleading information. Donald Trump would have nothing bad to say, if these organizations could even PRETEND to neutral accuracy. For example: It's safe to conclude at this point, that there is no collusion. No one in the House has found it, no one in the Senate has found it. And Bob Mueller definitely hasn't found it.

    You think any mainstream media source is going to report the obvious? Of course not, that'll lose a lot of clicks including yours. This is not me 'apologizing' for Donald. J. Trump. This is me, being angry at a media that for example, would like to suggest there's a white supremacist behind every tree. That even if you're not a white supremacist, you're hiding "bias". And that there's some form of resentment.

    This disgusting propaganda, which targets around 65% of the country is actually BOUND to generate the so-called resentment they say is there in the first place. If the media 'fears' white supremacy, it has itself to blame for festering divisions like nothing we'd seen before.

    Donald Trump is not 'attacking' the media, the media is attacking the United States. And in so doing, is finding itself lower and lower among the most watched television networks. Because we don't stand to listen to anti-American and anti-Human propaganda.

    The worst part is that if HRC were President, these attacks on America would gain government approval. The government would support the media in these propaganda efforts.

    Likewise, Donald Trump is not attacking the FBI. Peter Stozok has nothing but HIMSELF to blame. The FISA issue would not be an issue if they could arrest or even publicly justify their surveillance of Carter Page, but they can't do either of those things either. It's not Trump's fault that Rosenstein is about as honest as the crooks he prosecutes. It's the FBI who according to The Atlantic, they're losing prosecutions(non-Trump prosecutions) due to their own inability. They laughably tried to claim that the attack on Republicans was not political, they failed in Florida.

    All of these are observable and the only action Trump had to do with most of it, is to point it out.

    Then finally there's NATO. The fact of the matter is this: Europe is rattle-sabering the Russians, all the meanwhile depending upon us for defense as they are not militarily prepared. That means American blood will be spilled on European soil for the third time. If the Europeans/Russians are going to fight to the death, why should Americans also sacrifice their lives?

    Because we once held consistent values? A part of those values was the idea that Europe and Russia would one day align. Europe didn't even extend an olive branch during the time after the cold war. Our values don't align as much as we think they do. Europe appreciates the 'open US market' to enrich itself at low costs. That's about it. There's your 'shared values'. Ripping us off.

    If they truly were our allies, they would make themselves reliable both miltarily and economically, they would have ensured that the 'global free market', if it were to truly be a globalized world would be a fair one. But Europe didn't. Europe is closer to China than it is to the US in its geopolitical policy towards us.

    That isn't because of Trump either, that is the inevitable position both have taken, as secret antagonists of the US.

    You might then shout out 'The US/European division benefits Russia!' And so what if it does? I don't give a damn about what benefits or doesn't benefit the Russians. If an ally is abusive towards the US, and if attempts to fix that abuse fail, I'm not going to stay in an abusive relationship because it 'benefits' the abuser and doesn't benefit Russia.

    That kind of foreign policy, if it becomes the norm will MAKE us Russia. A third-world tin pot once was with military power but financial destitution. That's where we were headed pre-Trump, and maybe we'll head back there if many Americans want to return to 'normal'.
     
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    If this really is an apology tour for Trump, then I'd like to commend everyone who trashed Obama for supposedly having one during his term but now begging to kiss Trump's ass this time around.
     
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    correct their goal was the Crimea and the Black Sea naval bases which they couldn't strategially be deprived of ergo the achieved their goal...
    as they could with most countries should they so choose...if strategically important to them...
     
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    I don't think this is an apology tour. I do think that if we had a neutral view of most nations, we could engage in diplomacy. I still have a positive outlook on North Korea, because of the fact that Kim Jong is aware that America is more proactive under the Trump Administration, than prior administrations. Under Bolton and Pompey, the US has two incredible hardliners at State Department.

    You back that up with Mattis, and the US is taking an extraordinarily aggressive approach. The Chinese have said they don't want a refuge crisis at their end of the border, but that might be the case if war breaks out between the Korea's or between NK/America.

    I believe eventually, China will submit to reforms that include making NK give up its nuclear warheads. China just has to be pushed into seeing that there's no other alternative.

    But our diplomacy is as strong as we are able to give credence to the US Government...and yeah as citizens we're not doing a bang up job of that.
     
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    OK so TDS cannot be set aside. I understand. You can like or dislike what he says or interpret its meaning any way you like.
     
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    Dude you support a party that is so vested in lies and so far removed from reality that you can't tell what a lie is and what the truth is. You rail against the sort of lie we see in every sales pitch every where at every time, but you buy off on the sort of lies that get people killed and enslaved. That's the left all over you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
     
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    I view Russia as an enemy. I was trying to explain what I believe Trump thinks and, obviously, you don't want to read it. So don't read it.
     
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    Some Democrats are furious and will constantly become more furious that the misery of their lives was not ended by Hilary Clinton's vowed war with Russia.

    Remember the poll that showed a rather notable percentage of Democrats want earth obliterated by a large asteroid to end their suffering and punish all humans for it? They can't make that happen, but Hilary Clinton had promised she'd do the next best thing by directly going to military war against Russia causing nuclear holocaust WW3.
     
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    Russia has never been our enemy, only an ally, in war.
     
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    Guccifer 2.0, is that you?
     
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    “That was a clean campaign,” Trump said in response to a question about holding Russia responsible for the 12 officials who tampered with the election.

    Don's Orwellian distortion of the truth rears its ugly head again. Since when is a campaign "clean" after unprecedented influence exerted by an enemy? The answer, when the enemy is working on Don's behalf.
     
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    As far as Rod Rosenstein has said thus far,it does appear to be a mostly clean campaign by Trump. The Russians? Not so much.
     
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    LOL, remember when conservatives pretended they cared about the president "aplogizing" for the US?

    Now it's called "TDS".

    Yet another example of RW hypocrisy.
     
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    While I generally disagree with you on Trump, I do agree on Russia's antagonism. Hell, we had to step in to prevent the Soviets from taking the entirety of Europe after the fall of Hitler's regime. If we didn't say "We're coming after you next", Russia would've taken over the European continent and we'd be living in a darker world than the one we presently live in.
     
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    Then didn't teach you about the Cold War in school, eh?

    I never dreamed in a million years I'd be arguing with "conservatives" about Russia.

    donald world has turned everything upside down. Our friends are our foes and our foes are our friends in donald world.
     
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    What's Don doing about that..........aside from praising Putin, saying he wants the two countries to be friends, and trashing our allies?
     
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