Donald Trump’s Apology Tour

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really are INCAPABLE of debating, aren't you? You just rant your hatred of the USA and Americans incessantly.

    It does not take a Democratic Party nuclear war to end your own misery.
     
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    Trump apologise I think you've got the wrong here lol.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, a donald supporter pretending he's upset about lying.

    If lying upsets you, you shouldn't be supporting donald:

    Trump lies 7/1/15-7/1/16

    Trump "pants on fire" statements 7/1/15 to 7/1/16

    "We don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion. Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there."

    Says Hillary Clinton "has even deleted this record of total support (for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement) from her book."

    "For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America."

    "The Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State."

    "Crime is rising."

    "I wanted to keep it private, because I don't think it's anybody's business if I want to send money to the vets."

    It "is Hillary Clinton's agenda" to "release the violent criminals from jail. She wants them all released."

    "Look, we are at war with these people and they don't wear uniforms. … This is a war against people that are vicious, violent people, that we have no idea who they are, where they come from. We are allowing tens of thousands of them into our country now."

    Says Ted Cruz’s father "was with Lee Harvey Oswald" before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    "Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women."

    The 2016 federal omnibus spending bill "funds illegal immigrants coming in and through your border, right through Phoenix."

    Says that when Michelle Fields "found out that there was a security camera, and that they had her on tape, all of a sudden that story changed."

    "Out of 67 counties (in Florida), I won 66, which is unprecedented. It's never happened before."

    "I don't know anything about David Duke."

    Says Ted Cruz "said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject."

    Says that in the Philippines more than a century ago, Gen. John Pershing "took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood," and shot 49 Muslim rebels. "The 50th person, he said, ‘You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem."

    "Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment. The number's probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."

    A Trump television ad shows Mexicans swarming over "our southern border."

    President Barack Obama "wants to take in 250,000 (people) from Syria."

    Says crime statistics show blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.

    "I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

    The federal government is sending refugees to states with governors who are "Republicans, not to the Democrats."

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership "was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."

    "I never said that" Marco Rubio was Mark Zuckerberg’s personal senator.

    Says Bernie Sanders is going to "tax you people at 90 percent."

    The unemployment rate may be as high as "42 percent."

    "The Mexican government ... they send the bad ones over."

    The number of illegal immigrants in the United States is "30 million, it could be 34 million."

    "The Mexican government forces many bad people into our country."


    All from 7/1/15-7/1/16, all:

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    Trump false statements 7/1/15-7/1/16

    Says Hillary Clinton "filibustered legislation to reform" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Says Hillary Clinton’s immigration platform would "create totally open borders."

    The Benghazi victims were "left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed."

    "Because of Obamacare, you have so many part-time jobs."

    "I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."

    Even among "second and third generation" Muslims in the United States, "there's no real assimilation."

    There is "no system to vet" refugees from the Middle East.

    We’ve broken "by millions" the all-time record for votes in a GOP presidential primary election.

    "There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment."

    "You have to be a citizen to vote," but with same-day voter registration, "you have places where people just walk in and vote."

    "We're the highest taxed nation in the world."

    "In the history of Republican primaries, I’ve gotten the most votes in the history of the Republican party."

    ISIS is making millions of dollars a week selling Libyan oil."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq, saying for many years that it would destabilize the Middle East."

    The Colorado caucus system for selecting Republican delegates is "rigged."

    Says Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio "had it set so that the winner takes everything, because they wanted to make sure that I didn't get anything" in the Florida primary.

    "My numbers are better right now than Ronald Reagan's numbers were with Jimmy Carter."

    Says Ted Cruz distributed the ad showing a nude Melania Trump on a rug.

    Wisconsin’s "effective" unemployment rate is 20 percent.

    "When those restrictions expire (in the Iran nuclear deal), Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go."

    The Trump Winery near Charlottesville, Va. is the "largest winery on the East Coast."

    Under the Iran nuclear deal, "we give them $150 billion, we get nothing."

    Says the man who rushed the stage at him in Dayton, Ohio, "had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS" in his social media posts.

    "GDP was zero essentially for the last two quarters."

    Common Core is "education through Washington D.C."

    The wives of the 9/11 hijackers "knew exactly what was happening" and went back to Saudi Arabia two days before the attacks to watch their husbands on television flying the planes.

    Says Mahatma Gandhi once said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Says "the New York Times can write a story that they know is false" yet "they can't basically be sued."

    "We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau."

    When Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate, "that was the end" of Romney’s chances to win.

    "If it weren’t for me … (illegal immigration) wouldn’t even be a big subject."

    "Right now we’re the highest taxed country in the world."

    "I never once asked that (Megyn Kelly) be removed" as a debate moderator.

    Says Mexico can afford to build a wall because the country's trade deficit with America is billions of dollars.

    Among Syrian refugees and migrants coming into Europe, "there look like very few women. Very few children."

    The five Guantanamo detainees swapped for Bowe Bergdahl are "back on the battlefield."

    Canadian-born Ted Cruz "has had a double passport."

    The 9/11 terrorists' friends, family, girlfriends in the United States "were sent back for the most part to Saudi Arabia. They knew what was going on. They went home, and they wanted to watch their boyfriends on television."

    Says his plan would cut taxes without increasing the deficit.

    Says Ohio Gov. John Kasich "got lucky with a thing called fracking," which "is why Ohio is doing well."

    "Sixty-one percent of our bridges are in trouble."

    Says CIA Director George Tenet told the Bush administration that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack "was coming. So they did have advanced notice."

    "We have the highest tax rate anywhere in the world."

    Among Syrian refugees, "there aren't that many women, there aren't that many children."

    "The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was all in!"

    Says Mexico doesn't have birthright citizenship, and Americans are the "only ones" to have it.

    Under the Iran deal: "If Israel attacks Iran … we’re supposed to be on Iran’s side."

    "We have 93 million people out of work. They look for jobs, they give up, and all of a sudden, statistically, they're considered employed."

    "We’re the most highly taxed nation in the world."

    "Some of the things that (Megyn Kelly) said, I didn’t say."

    Illegal immigration "wasn’t a subject that was on anybody’s mind until I brought it up at my announcement."

    Under President Barack Obama, income levels and unemployment numbers "are worse now than just about ever" for African-Americans.

    The five Guantanamo detainees swapped for Bowe Bergdahl "are right now back on the battlefield."

    Says John McCain "has done nothing to help the vets."

    "If you're from Syria and you're a Christian, you cannot come into this country" as a refugee.

    Says Florida had five sanctuary cities while Jeb Bush was governor.

    "The $5 billion website for Obamacare … never worked. Still doesn't work."

    Says his book, The Art of the Deal, is "the No. 1 selling business book of all time."


    All in 7/1/15-7/1/16, all:

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    Trump lies 7/1/16 to 7/1/17

    Trump "pants on fire" lies 7/1/16 to 7/1/17

    "This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won."

    Before the presidential campaign, "I didn't know Steve (Bannon)."

    Terrorism and terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe have "gotten to a point where it's not even being reported."

    "If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act? Why did they only complain after Hillary lost?"

    There was "serious voter fraud" in Virginia.

    There was "serious voter fraud" in New Hampshire.

    There was "serious voter fraud" in California.

    Says he "won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

    Says that at a campaign rally President Barack Obama "spent so much time screaming at a protester, and frankly it was a disgrace."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."

    "Wikileaks also shows how John Podesta rigged the polls by oversampling Democrats, a voter suppression technique."

    When Hillary Clinton "ran the State Department, $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State Department, $6 billion was either stolen — they don't know."

    "It’s possible that non-citizen voters were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina."

    "Of course, there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day."

    "We don't have any" chess grandmasters in the United States.

    Says he won the second debate with Hillary Clinton "in a landslide" in "every poll."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    “Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    "I finished" the controversy about where President Barack Obama was born.

    “My opponent has no child care plan."

    Says Hillary Clinton has "not answered a single question" about her immigration plan.

    The number of illegal immigrants "could be 3 million. It could be 30 million."
    Donald Trump is wrong that 'inner-city crime is reaching record levels'

    Says the U.S. election system is "rigged."

    Says Barack Obama "founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton."

    "Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ "

    "I’m beating (Kelly Ayotte) in the polls by a lot."

    "We have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people’ ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."

    "As usual, Hillary & the Dems are trying to rig the debates so 2 are up against major NFL games."

    On gift taking, "Bob McDonnell took a fraction of what (Tim) Kaine took."

    Says Ted Cruz "never denied" his father was photographed with Lee Harvey Oswald.


    All in the year from 7/1/16 - 7/1/17 all:

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    Trump false statements 7/1/16-7/1/17

    "We're pretty much at the 50 percent mark" on deportations of MS-13 gang members.

    "China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this (Paris) agreement."

    "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’ "

    Deals struck on his first foreign trip as president made and saved "millions of jobs."

    "Dems want billions to go to Insurance Companies to bail out donors"

    "No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days."

    "All pipelines that are coming into this country from now on has to be American steel."

    "The weak illegal immigration policies of the Obama Admin. allowed bad MS 13 gangs to form in cities across U.S. We are removing them fast!"

    "When you look for a job, you can't find it and you give up. You are now considered statistically employed."

    "The NSA and FBI tell Congress that Russia did not influence electoral process."

    "Germany owes ... vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defense it provides to Germany!"

    Says "the New York Times wrote about" Barack Obama wiretapping Donald Trump during the election.

    "Look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible."

    "While on FAKE NEWS @CNN, Bernie Sanders was cut off for using the term fake news to describe the network. They said technical difficulties!"

    Says CNN’s Chris Cuomo "never asked" Sen. Richard Blumenthal about Blumenthal's misstatements on his own service in Vietnam.

    "The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years."

    Says "109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers" were affected by the immigration executive order.

    "If you were a Muslim, you could come in, if you were a Christian, it was impossible."

    "Here in Philadelphia murder has been steady — I mean — just terribly increasing."

    "The media ... sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community."

    Americans don't "care at all" about Donald Trump's tax returns.

    "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College."

    "The @nytimes sent a letter to their subscribers apologizing for their BAD coverage of me."

    The @nytimes states today that DJT believes ‘more countries should acquire nuclear weapons.’ How dishonest are they. I never said this!"

    Beyonce and Jay Z, I like them, I like them ... I get bigger crowds than they do. It's true. I get far bigger crowds."

    "I have tremendous support from women."

    The media "never show crowds."

    "Twitter, Google and Facebook are burying the FBI criminal investigation of Clinton. Very dishonest media!"

    Says Ohio’s I-X Center "used to be a great plant," but "thousands of people of worked here, and they left" when their jobs were moved overseas.

    "14 percent of noncitizens are registered to vote."

    The stories from women saying he groped or forced himself on them "largely have been debunked."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "wrong" to say he mocked a disabled reporter.

    Says Hillary Clinton was "let off the hook" for her email scandal while Gen. David Petraeus had his life "destroyed for doing far, far less."

    "I've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you. And I've gotten to see some of the most vicious commercials I've ever seen of Michelle Obama talking about you, Hillary."

    Says Sidney Blumenthal wrote that the Benghazi attack was "almost certainly preventable. Clinton was in charge of the State Department, and it failed to protect U.S. personnel and an American consulate in Libya."

    Says after Hillary Clinton helped a man accused of raping a 12-year-old, "she's seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to go to a single-payer plan" for health care

    Says he has "a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required."

    "In her campaign for president, Hillary Clinton has received $100 million in contributions from Wall Street and hedge funds."

    Says to Hillary Clinton, "You heard what I said about (the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal), and all of a sudden you were against it."

    "NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

    Says "Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

    Says Hillary Clinton’s energy agenda "will cost the U.S. economy over $5 trillion"

    Says top Clinton advisers "were pressing" birther movement stories "very hard."

    "I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

    "You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down to the Federal Elections" to see the financial disclosure form than by looking at tax returns.

    "I never said" that Muslims would be subject to profiling under his policies.

    "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

    "Our veterans, in many cases, are being treated worse than illegal immigrants."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq."

    "I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."

    As governor, Tim Kaine "oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs, including low-income African-Americans."

    "I had previously said that NATO was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. Since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats."

    "The Obama-Clinton war on coal has cost Michigan over 50,000 jobs."

    Says he saw videotape "of the people taking the money off the plane" to pay ransom to Iran for hostages.

    "Youth unemployment is through the roof."

    "An analysis showed that Bernie Sanders would have won the Democratic nomination if it were not for the Super Delegates."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment."

    "Hillary Clinton invented ISIS with her stupid policies. She is responsible for ISIS."

    Says as GOP was picking a convention city, "I recommended Ohio."

    "Just look at what the FBI director said about her (Hillary Clinton) — her misconduct is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country."

    "As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton laundered money to Bill Clinton through Laureate Education, while Bill Clinton was an honorary chairman of the group."


    All in the year from 7/1/16 - 7/1/17 all:

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    Trump lies 7/1/17 to 7/1/18

    Trump "pants on fire statements 7/1/17 to 10/1/17

    Ending the estate tax would "protect millions of small businesses and the American farmer."

    White nationalist protesters in Charlottesville "had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit."

    Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!"

    Amazon has a "no-tax monopoly."

    CNN’s ratings are "way down."


    All in the year from 7/1/17 - 10/1/17 all:

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    Trump false statements 7/1/17 to 10/1/17

    Insurance companies "have made a fortune with Obamacare."

    "We're the highest developed nation taxed in the world."

    The Obama administration "borrowed more than $10 trillion, right? And yet, we picked up $5.2 trillion just in the stock market. ... Maybe in a sense we’re reducing debt."

    "Bob Corker gave us the Iran Deal."

    Says "No, I don't benefit, I don't benefit" from his tax proposal.

    We have one senator who’s a ‘yes’ vote ... but he’s in the hospital. And he’s a ‘yes’ vote. So we can’t do it by Friday. So we have the votes" to pass a health care bill.

    "We stopped traffic coming through -- 78 percent."

    "We have become an energy exporter for the first time ever just recently."

    "There aren't too many people outside protesting" his speech at the Phoenix Convention Center.

    Wages "haven’t gone up for a long time."

    "My first order as president was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before."

    Untaxed corporate earnings used to be "$2.5 trillion … I guess it’s $5 trillion now. Whatever it is, it’s a lot more. So we have anywhere from 4 (trillion) to 5 or even more trillions of dollars sitting offshore."

    The border is down 78 percent. Under past administrations, the border didn’t go down -- it went up."

    "We've achieved a historic increase in defense spending to get our troops the support they so richly deserve."

    During the Nixon Watergate investigation, "out of courtesy, the FBI started reporting to the Department of Justice. But there was nothing official."

    "We’ve signed more bills -- and I’m talking about through the legislature -- than any president ever."

    Says his job approval poll numbers are "not bad" relative to other presidents at this point in his presidency.

    Says John Podesta "refused to give the DNC server to the FBI and the CIA. Disgraceful!"


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    sorry I haven't updated the list for a while. There's many more.
     
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    Donald's praised every 'strong man' and it's something he sees in himself as well. Though I don't hold Russia's government to be a particularly effective government, or one with praise. Allow me to think as a Russian Nationalist for a minute: Not only is my country isolated from Europe due to a century of antagonism in which both sides are to blame, but my government is actively conspiring against Americans and this at a time where the Americans were leaning in the direction of ending the antagonism to the East WITHOUT any need to 'influence' that direction.

    If I were born in Russia and a Russian Nationalist, I'd be pissed at Putin and the regime and would run for an overthrow. And since I hold that a government's #1 objective is to support the civil structure of society, I'd immediately aim to restore human/civil rights in Russia, and move towards continuing to open up the Russian economy/development, while continuing the crack down on the criminal gangsters in Russia's underground.

    It would be something of a much softer version of Russia if I were in charge. I still need the KGB and I still need that power to eliminate over 50 years of Soviet influence. But once that's gone, I would be able to declaw even that part of Russian society.

    Let's hope that such a Nationalist exists in Russia and that Putin and his goons aren't able to assassinate him.

    As far as Russia the continent, we should recognize that there are non-government Russian civilians, just as we are civilians. I'd like to think we can all agree that we don't wish these civilians any harm. So insofar as the government of Russia can move in a positive direction, I think we can take like minded steps.

    We shouldn't think in the mold of "Going against Putin", we should think about the mold of encouraging the Russians to take charge of their life, their government and the potential for a real alliance.
     
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    No more red MAGA hat for you Trump. You get to wear a big huge tremendous red "T" on your chest. A scarlet letter "T" that stands for traitor.
     
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    You know...for the first time, I might actually believe collusion is a thing. It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another thing when you get reports about it and then you basically say you trust Putin over your own intelligence community. And while I do believe the probe to be a 'disaster', that's for domestic consumption, not something to be said next to Putin. (And it's mostly a disaster due to the secrecy of it.)

    Then he says that the 'differences between them' ended four hours ago. And then watching that reporter get forcibly removed, and our POTUS didn't so much as say "Hey, maybe you ought not to do that."

    Alot of things were said there, that IMO support impeachment. Even if he didn't collude, he's actively supporting the government of Vladimir Putin by softening what they did.
     
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    O c'mon man that Donald's opinion of the mueller with hunt differs from yours doesn't make it a lie. And two thirds of that stuff in there is differences of opinion and none of it is substantive.
     
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    Dude you don't start out browbeating someone in public that you are going to try to be cutting some sort of a deal with in private later unless you have very good reason to believe that will get you what you want or you have nothing to lose by doing so. What I saw in the opening was negotiation 101.
     
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    Then make neutral sounding statements. I can think of one off the top of my head: "I made a formal request to Vladimir Putin in our discussions to extradite the suspects to the US, Russia may or may not respond to the inquiries but we made it known that we don't tolerate any intrusion into our elections, be they presidential or otherwise."
     
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    System was rigged. Hillary should have been put in jail and not even allowed to run.

    Undermined the judicial branch? Hell he is fixing it, Electing a new USSC Constitutional judge and made record breaking appointments of young Constitutional lawyers to the Federal courts that are young enough to be able to serve for decades. His hand on the judicial branch will effecting the judicial branch for decades to come.

    Journalist have been bad mouthing Trump before he ever became President.

    The Attorney General and FBI worked hand in hand in getting charges dropped on Hillary for disobeying FBI orders to turn in over 30,000 E-mails, destroying them instead. The FBI also used a phony dossier to do an investigation into almost everything Trump has done that has gone on for over a year.

    NATO has for years taken advantage of America by not paying their fair share. Several Presidents before have tried to get them to up their contributions without success. Some times you have to be tough to get success.

    I think when you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones and when it comes to finger pointing and complaining about anything Trump does the Left and news organizations have been out front with a vengeance.
     
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    LMAO...I guess that you were asleep during the cold war and the Cuban missile crisis. How embarrassing for you.
     
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    Why did Trump want a secret meeting with Putin? Trump's behavior regarding Putin and Russia can be explained in one way. I don't know what it is -- a sexual escapade, money laundering, Trump has a connection to the Russian mafia, something -- but Putin has something on Trump. That is why Putin wanted Trump to be President. Prior to the election, Trump was not soft on communism and dictators with a connection to Putin, Kim and Xi.

    Maybe that is why Trump wants a private meeting with Putin. He wants to discuss the hold Putin has on him.

    Yes, all that is pure speculation, but it fits with other things we know. For example, we know Manafort and Gates had connections to Russia. We know they were involved in money laundering. We know Trump hired both to run his campaign and Manafort became his campaign manager and was responsible for organizing the Republican National Convention.

    We know Trump encouraged Russian interference in our election. We know Trump encouraged WikiLeaks to distribute the Russian hacks.

    On July 27, 2016, Trump said, Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

    • October 10, 2016 in Wilkes-Barre, PA: "This just came out," Trump said. "WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks."
    • October 12, 2016 in Ocala, FL: "This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable," Trump said. "It tells you the inner heart, you gotta read it."
    • October 13, 2016 in Cincinnati, OH: "It's been amazing what's coming out on WikiLeaks."
    • October 31, 2016 in Warren, MI: "Another one came in today," Trump said. "This WikiLeaks is like a treasure trove."
    • November 4, 2016 in Wilmington, OH: "Getting off the plane, they were just announcing new WikiLeaks, and I wanted to stay there, but I didn't want to keep you waiting," said Trump. "Boy, I love reading those WikiLeaks.




    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wikileaks-campaign-speeches-julian-assange-2017-11

    Yeah, they have plenty to talk over in that private meeting.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I welcome all bots since they have zero effect on me.

    Unlike the left, I am not swayed by them.

    Send me 1 trillion bots to tell me to vote for Hillary and I won't, I am stronger than that.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what about today?

    The left is constantly calling them an enemy when they aren't.
     
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    Of course I remember. I didn't like it at all. Hopefully Trump won't get into that nonsense.
     
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    You mean "won't continue". Good luck with that.
     
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    Pretty impressive rationalization of treason.
     
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    I’d be willing to support some of the policies he’s promoted if we could just get rid of this jackass.
     
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    Well he needs to take a class in Leadership 101 instead.
     
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    When exactly did "NATO" make that promise?
     
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    When the wall fell in Germany.
     
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    Can you provide a link? Because I can find no such link to an agreement by NATO not to expand further east, especially not any treaty signed to that effect.
     
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    I think we can agree for example, that our trade deals do need revision, and it would benefit the alliances if we could come to an agreement that bridges the gap for all countries involved. A stronger NAFTA is good for Canada/Mexico, but they have to be open to reforms. You can't be importing cheap Asian goods to bypass the American market.

    Otherwise, NAFTA is pointless. Likewise, I do not want to break up the alliance with Europe, but I do want Europe to try and break a century of mistrust and at least have dialogue with the Russians, and the Russians need to leave Ukraine militarily, let them decide their direction and give diplomatic assurances that there won't be an encrouchment on countries like Finland, etc.

    I'm not going to bat for the Europeans without Europeans trying diplomacy first. And I can't concede to concessions to Russians without first getting concessions from them. Namely, they should extradite the 12 named individuals to the US for trial. Or I'd be willing to have a trial at the Hague.
     

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