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Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Jonsa, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jonsa is a foreigner trying to interfere with and sway our elections here.
     
  2. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't see much moving in that direction. Who is a progressive, other than sanders and gabbard? Against how many corporate/banking democrats in that party? And some of these so called progressives are just too radical to have relevance, IMO. Not sanders or gabbard, but that ortez woman sure is.
     
  3. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep. Since the russians proved you guys are so susceptible to outside influences, and the US isn't doing squat about it, its become a game played around the world by both governments and individuals. Who knew it was so easy to screw up America and Americans?

    Course we also live in glass house, but hey, so far we dodged that particular bullet.
     
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  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I haven't advised people in your country whether to vote or how to vote. And if you want the US to do something about it should Mueller indict you too? You have railed against foreign interference in our elections and then you a foreigner try to influence our election. What totally hypocracy.
     
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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    One can make a good argument that the draft age was too low, but not that the voting age was too high. If anything, both should have been set at 20 or higher. Teenagers shouldn't be voting, and they shouldn't be drafted either.
     
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    HUGE like. :applause: :applause:
     
  7. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Here is a comprehensive list of Progressive candidates on the ballot for the Midterms.

    https://joannchateau.com/2018-progressive-candidates-ballot-initiatives-nationwide/

    Here is an article about the Progressives.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nt-roiling-the-democratic-party-idUSKCN1L81GI

     
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  8. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that the Polls are often a joke. This does not mean that Polls never matter though.

    Regardless of what the polls said - Trump's win was not because people liked Trump that much.

    Moore - when the Polls gave Trump no chance - predicted a Trump win. He had crossed the nation doing town halls. His comment was that it was not that the people liked Trump so much but, that they wanted to throw a maltov cocktail into the establishment.

    The anti establishment movement was strong on both sides of the fence. The people are not happy -and my guess is that the anti establishment movement has only gotten stronger since the election.

    Trump touted himself as "anti establishment" - a good move. While many may have suspected Trump was - or would become -an establishment wonk - they didn't know for sure that he was. Hillary we knew for sure.

    In addition - Hillary was the most horrible of horrible candidate. She had no vision, nothing to vote for - all she did was "Bad Trump - Bad Trump, Bad Trump" . I can't believe that her handlers advocated this but, she did it anyway. Then there is her condescending arrogant nature. Just awful. It is so bad that many Dem women can't stand her.

    Despite this .. Hillary still got more of the popular vote.

    The next time around things will be different. Trump has proven to be an Establishment wonk ... and this is probably low in rank compared to many of his other flaws - flaws we did not know of in the past election.

    On the other side - Hillary will not be running. It is hard to believe the next person could possibly be that bad. While I agree that the Dems still seem to have little vision - little plan - little to vote for - that "little" is still better than Hillary.

    Conclusion - Biden would do more than lay a hand on Trump. Lizzy ? She is just as nausiating as Hillary.

    Sanders ? Tough call - the Establishment (which is both Red and Blue) has worked very hard to demonize "The Burn" but It would be a tough race. Some high profile Republicans are now supporting Bernie's universal healthcare stance.

    The problem with the Bern is that he is too old - if this was not the case I think he would crush Trump like a bug.
     
  9. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they are seeing nazis, then clearly, they are more stupid than one might think. What is so appalling to me, is that you would compare the people on the GOP side as nazis. Clearly you have no clue what a real deal nazi was. Personally, given your remark is so common on your side, I see it as little more than lying propaganda. It is like calling the current democratic party, communist! So you and many on the Right are two peas in a pod. I got little use for such hyperbole, and dishonesty. I see no difference between you guys in this respect and it sickens me.
     
  10. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if I am going to vote in 2020 since I'm not exactly a fan of Donald Trump either.

    I thought about voting for Donald Trump in 2020 as the lesser evil but I don't think my conscience will allow me to.

    I essentially hate both political parties of the United States.

    It might not even matter at this point since by 2020 the entire United States economy is suppose to drop like a sack of potatoes by then anyways.
     
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  11. Jonsa

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    Excuse me. I pointed out that there are honest to god Nazi's running as Republican candidates in the upcoming election. I even posted links.


    That's the fact, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. But I get that you then want to generalize the specificity of my post.

    And I sure as hell know exactly what a real nazi is and was. Apart from nazi relatives, i've been confronting nazis and their racist nationalist "associates" since Jimmy Keegstra and Ernst Zundel crawled out from under their rocks.



    I bet way more than the subject of your little rant above sickens you.
     
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    The US economy has been in a state of imminent collapse since time immemorial, because there is always someone out there preaching that particular doom & gloom, usually so they can make a tidy profit for themselves.
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    With the support of the Republican party? It's easy to get on the ballot under whatever party you want to run as, that doesn't me they have endorsed or supported you.

    So why are you as a foreigner trying to interfere in and sway our election?
     
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    Yeah, because of California and New York...but THEY don't rule the rest of the US.
     
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    Primary votes. Not talking about the general election.
     
  16. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    Except I am a man of facts where I don't believe in anything without a point of reference, the United States economic near term demise included.
     
  17. One Mind

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    If honest to god nazis, or nazi like people are running on the GOP side then that needs to be pointed out and rejected, by all americans. I seriously doubt if any would ever be elected to federal office. For they are few, and will never have substantial support, IMO from americans.

    But are you sure you are not calling trump voters, nazis? And if you are, what is the percentage, IYO? I think we need to get that on the table and make you get specific. Ok?

    For unless I am mistaken, you have taken the same tact, on the left, that those on the right take, when they accuse and claim the democratic party are communistic, when that is so absurd. And that is what I was pointing out, correctly, IMO. If I am wrong, I will admit it, if that is where the evidence leads. I don't think I am wrong though, unless I have you confused with some other person who is in support of the modern democratic party.
     
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    Regardless, the Constitution gives them the explicit right to vote. If you don't like it, change the Constitution. (it wasn't always that way).
     
  19. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nevertheless its not an "if" its definitive that there are honest to god nazis, holocaust deniers and white supremacists running under the republican banner. FACT.

    as to general support, IIRC, only one of them was a uncontested entry, but the others actually won primaries. So there is some support for goosestepping white supremacists within the fringe right wing.



    NO I am not calling trump voters nazis. I am calling nazis, nazis and white surpemacists racist scumbags, white supremacist racist scumbags.
    It seems "conservative" trump supporters refuse to accept the fact that radical racist right wing fascist fringers support their dear leader, despite the overwhelming facts of the matter. Perhaps because so many of them harbor similar if not as intense bigotries and fears.

    You are mistaken. I have repeatedly claimed my bigotries which include commies and anarchists (whom I usually call the far looney left).

    And I might add that Trump in his national sovereigntist speech to the UN made it pretty clear how far right and parochial trump's america is.
    I never thought I'd see the day were American doesn't care what goes on behind any other nations borders, as long as it doesn't threaten america. Seems American symbols today are based on "blood and soil" replacing "democracy, freedom,and human rights values" without even a whimper from the people. All that talk of freedom and human rights and champion of just causes around the world seems to be irrelevant to trump and his followers. For some reason they think that global retreat will make the great greater. Seems all ya need is a giant military dick to swing and a bullying blowhard buffoon to swing it.
     
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    Yes with the support of the republican party in some instances, but the real goosestepping holocaust denier was rejected. In fact the goosestepper was able to get on the ballot because the state republican party wrote off the district and he snuck on. The other ones all won their primaries.

    Funny you should be whining about my opinions since according to you and yours, foreign interference doesn't work and can't sway votes.
    But I get how certain people want it every way they can.
     
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    Which instances?

    You people on the left are all upset about foreigners interfering with and trying to sway elections and posting videos to sway American voters.............so you why are you doing it then?

    If you believe it is bad for foreigners to try and interfere and sway American elections then please refrain from doing so.
     
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    Because participating in a political discussion forum isn't interference. But I do get that some parochial right wingers seem to think that what happens in america doesn't effect anyone else on the planet and it it does - tough excrement.

    I do believe that is not only bad but an overt act of aggression when a foreign government launches a coordinated campaign to divide, disrupt and influence elections in other countries. Apparently you can't quite discern the difference, which isn't surprising since lack of nuance is a necessary quality of the right.
     
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    Why would I care if they vote or not? I was just pointing out that the logic used to justify that change makes no sense.
     
  24. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    By doing great they mean stealing from future generations in what can only be described as generational cannibalism devouring the young. This entire country is owned and controlled by boomers where they rally against socialism while collecting social security, pensions, or medicare.

    We youngsters will have the last laugh however because the economy will collapse, it will wipe out your life savings, retirement, pensions, and whatever other kind of nest egg that you thought you might of owned.

    Whiners? Your generation has brought western civilization on its knees threatening its very survival or existence and future generations will never forget this. You won't be remembered as the greatest generation whatsoever, instead maybe as the worst to put it mildly. That will be your legacy left on this world after you all die of natural causes.
     
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    They are entirely right. Those who have gained power do what is necessary not to lose it. Voting fixes nothing because those in power will not allow the status quo to be fixed. Voters fall for it every time. They get what they deserve.
     

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