Don't Vote

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Jonsa is a foreigner to the United States using this social media to try and influence and affect our elections with video clips and telling our citizens not to vote in our election.
     
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    Sure it is this is social media and your are posting things telling American citizens not to vote and trying to influence voting. EXACTLY what is being claimed about foreign interference. Are you telling my you haven't complained about Russians posting of social media trying to influence elections here in my country?
     
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    Good imitation of chicken little.

    Are you that "engaged" you can't understand the concept of PARODY?

    Oh my, and to think you have been harping about how the russians didn't change a single vote, but I am dastardly attempting to subvert the US. by participating in us political discussions on an appropriately named forum.

    Parochial. Paranoid. Partisan. The big three of trumpland.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you can't discern the difference between freedom of speech and nefarious state directed aggressive disinformation campaign DESIGNED to disrupt and divide.

    But then again nuance is not a trumpette friend.
     
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    par·o·dy
    ˈperədē/
    noun
    1. 1.
      an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
      "the movie is a parody of the horror genre"
      synonyms: satire, burlesque, lampoon, pastiche, caricature, imitation, mockery;

    Your becoming a parody of your own self. Own it, I guess.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We let 18 year old vote because they are old enough to fight and die for thier country. 18 year olds are considered of legal age when it comes to the criminal justice system also. Why the hell shouldn't they get to vote for those that choose whether or not to go to war or create the laws that they are subject to?
     
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    Already been asked and answered. But i'll do it again....

    1) People voluntarily join the military, and they know what they are signing up to do. They are volunteering to do what other people tell them to do.
    2) The 18 year olds joining the military are not mature and responsible - they are not treated as experts even in the military, they are not in charge, they don't sign up as Generals, they don't make strategic decisions.
    3) Everyone is expected to follow the law. That has nothing to do with a persona ability to lead or understand global issues.
    4) 18 year olds are immature, naïve, inexperienced, and unqualified to make major decisions.

    Voting is serious business. Elections have consequences, and voting requires a degree of effort and intelligence and dedication that children don't have.

    When you allow an 18 year old to control your full finances and let the kid decide your future, then I'll believe you think 18 year olds are responsible enough to vote.
     
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    We have a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR investigating foreign attempts to try and influence voters. The side of in my American politics which you suppor, the Left and the Democrats, have been screaming at the top of their lungs about foreign influence in our elections and using social media to influence voters and here you are a foreigner urging my fellow citizens not to vote. Please explain how you object to alleged Russians engaging in such posting on social media to influence US citizens and their voting and then you do the same here.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What is the distinction I am missing between those foreigners injecting themselves in social media and you a foreigner doing so urging US citizens not to vote. That is not just you expressing your views about US policies that is you actively urging my fellow citizens not to vote.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am addressing what you are doing here, trading insults all you got?
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree with your assertions and I am fine with 18 year olds voting. In fact, I wouldn't mind 14 year olds voting if they could prove that they were politically literate. I would put a lot of 14 year old kids I know up against any of the ignorant, tattooed fat idiots who wait for hours to get into Trump ralley and rave like a bunch of nit wits.
     
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    Apparently the DNC thought that she was since they spat on the very concept of democracy to MAKE her the nominee. Makes one wonder what the hell they were thinking; if THINKING could even be an applicable term.
     
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    You have no idea what a war is. I have been to war and have more invested in firearms than you make in 10 years. If you think you are ready for war bring it on. You'll find that my generation is more than capable of taking care of our selves.
     
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    Name them. See if you can match this list.
    Hugo Black[edit]
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    Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black
    In 1921, Hugo Black successfully defended E. R. Stephenson in his trial for the murder of a Catholic priest, Fr. James E. Coyle. Black, a Democrat, joined the Ku Klux Klan shortly afterwards, in order to gain votes from the anti-Catholic element in Alabama. He built his winning Senate campaign around multiple appearances at KKK meetings across Alabama. Late in life Black told an interviewer:

    at that time, I was joining every organization in sight! ... In my part of Alabama, the Klan was not engaged in unlawful activities ... The general feeling in the community was that if responsible citizens didn't join the Klan it would soon become dominated by the less responsible members.[6]

    News of his membership was a secret until shortly after he was confirmed as an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. Black later said that joining the Klan was a mistake, but he went on to say, "I would have joined any group if it helped get me votes."[7][8]


    Theodore G. Bilbo[edit]
    Theodore G. Bilbo, a Democrat, the Governor of Mississippi and later the U.S. Senator for Mississippi, was a founder of the Mississippi chapter of the KKK.[9][10]

    John Brown Gordon[edit]
    John Brown Gordon, a Democrat and the U.S. Senator for Georgia, was a founder of the KKK in his home state of Georgia.[11]

    Joseph E. Brown[edit]
    Joseph E. Brown, a Democrat and the U.S. Senator for Georgia, was a key supporter of the KKK in his home state.[12]

    Elmer David Davies[edit]
    Elmer David Davies, a Democrat and a Federal Judge of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee, was a member of the KKK whilst at university.[13]

    Bibb Graves[edit]
    Bibb Graves, a Democrat, who was the Governor of Alabama. He lost his first campaign for governor in 1922, but four years later, with the secret endorsement of the Ku Klux Klan, he was elected to his first term as governor. Graves was almost certainly the Exalted Cyclops (chapter president) of the Montgomery chapter of the Klan. Graves, like Hugo Black, used the strength of the Klan to further his electoral prospects.[20]


    Clifford Walker[edit]
    Clifford Walker, a Democrat and the Governor of Georgia, was revealed to be a Klan member by the press in 1924.[21]


    George Gordon[edit]
    George Gordon, a Democrat and Congressman for Tennessee's 10th congressional district, became one of the Klan's first members. In 1867, Gordon became the Klan's first Grand Dragon for the Realm of Tennessee, and wrote its Precept, a book describing its organization, purpose, and principles.[citation needed]

    John Tyler Morgan[edit]
    John Tyler Morgan, a Democrat and the U.S. Senator for Alabama, was the Grand Dragon of the KKK in Alabama.[22][23]

    Edmund Pettus[edit]
    Edmund Pettus, a Democrat and the U.S. Senator for Alabama, was also a Grand Dragon of the KKK in Alabama.[24]

    John W. Morton[edit]
    John Morton, a Democrat, was the Tennessee Secretary of State and was the founder of the Nashville chapter of the KKK[25]

    William L. Saunders[edit]
    William L. Saunders, a Democrat, was the North Carolina Secretary of State and was the founder of the North Carolina chapter.[26]

    John Clinton Porter[edit]
    John Clinton Porter, a Democrat, was a member of the Klan in the early 1920s and served as mayor of Los Angeles.[27]


    Benjamin F. Stapleton[edit]
    Benjamin F. Stapleton, a Democrat, was mayor of Denver in the 1920s–1940s. He was a Klan member in the early 1920s and appointed fellow Klansmen to positions in municipal government.[28]

    David Duke[edit]
    David Duke, a politician who ran in both Democrat and Republican presidential primaries, was openly involved in the leadership of the Ku Klux Klan.[29] He was founder and Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the mid-1970s; he re-titled his position as "National Director" and said that the KKK needed to "get out of the cow pasture and into hotel meeting rooms". He left the organization in 1980. He ran for president in the 1988 Democratic presidential primaries. In 1989 Duke switched political parties from Democrat to Republican.[30] In 1989, he became a member of the Louisiana State Legislature from the 81st district, and was Republican Party chairman for St. Tammany Parish.[31]

    Harry S. Truman[edit]
    Harry S. Truman, the Democratic politician who became president in 1945, was accused by opponents of having dabbled with the Klan briefly. In 1924, he was a judge in Jackson County, Missouri. Truman was up for reelection, and his friends Edgar Hinde and Spencer Salisbury advised him to join the Klan. The Klan was politically powerful in Jackson County, and two of Truman's opponents in the Democratic primary had Klan support. Truman refused at first, but paid the Klan's $10 membership fee, and a meeting with a Klan officer was arranged.[39]

    According to Salisbury's version of the story, Truman was inducted, but afterward "was never active; he was just a member who wouldn't do anything". Salisbury, however, told the story after he became Truman's bitter enemy, so historians are reluctant to believe his claims.[40]

    According to Hinde and Truman's accounts, the Klan officer demanded that Truman pledge not to hire any Catholics or Jews if he was reelected. Truman refused, and demanded the return of his $10 membership fee; most of the men he had commanded in World War I had been local Irish Catholics.[41]

    Truman had at least one other strong reason to object to the anti-Catholic requirement, which was that the Catholic Pendergast family, which operated a political machine in Jackson County, were his patrons; Pendergast family lore has it that Truman was originally accepted for patronage without even meeting him, on the basis of his family background plus the requirement that he was not a member of any anti-Catholic organization such as the Klan.[42] The Pendergast faction of the Democratic Party was known as the "Goats", as opposed to the rival Shannon machine's "Rabbits". The battle lines were drawn when Truman put only Goats on the county payroll,[43] and the Klan began encouraging voters to support Protestant, "100% American" candidates, allying itself against Truman and with the Rabbits, while Shannon instructed his people to vote Republican in the election, which Truman lost.[44]
     
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    I have no intention of starting something that will naturally begin on its own without my involvement and I'll wait patiently within the initial conflict as everybody wipes each other out, why pick a fight with others when they'll be fighting each other initially? All good things come to those who are patient in waiting, I'm all about long term strategy. Here's to you surviving the first ten waves of the complete self destruction of society my armchair internet warrior tough guy, happy hunting!
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you are insistent that there is no difference from an individual expressing his freedom of speech about the politics of his nation's closest ally and partner and a hostile adversarial government coordinating a multi faceted cyber attack on a nation with the intent purpose of disruption and division.

    Seems snowflakery is pandemic in trumpland.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hello!!!!!!!!!

    the damn video is a PARODY. OMG, what kind of idiot would watch that video and think it was a serious plea not to vote? Oh right must be a trump supporter.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WEll it seems that for whatever reason, you can't discern that the video is a parody of election ads. Are you at all familiar with the concept of SATIRE?

    And I got a lot more than just insults. Is lack of a sense of humor, all you got?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seriously?
    More meaningless whataboutery defense by reaching into the past. I get you think that only republicans have never changed over time.
    I mean trump is the ultimate republican these days.


    I guess dealing with contemporary reality is a bit difficult when you cannot defend the raw friggin' facts of today.
     
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    :roflol:

    Might as well "invest" in a pile of rocks for all the value that they will ever provide in return.

    There is an enormous GLUT of firearms here in the USA so the bulk of them have about as much value as scrap metal, if that. Anyone who knows about investing understands that it means obtaining something that will INCREASE in value. Millennials are not interested in buying 2nd hand firearms because they are NOT interested in collecting them.

    https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/9/21/how-millennials-are-changing-the-gun-industry/

    Having a firearm for self defense is everyone's 2nd amendment right but to call firearms an "investment" is a fallacy because there is no long term value to be gained from them.

    Yes, I can understand why a sleazy gun salesman would try to dupe customers into believing that a firearm is an "investment" just the same way that all the other sleazy salemen use it when trying to offload their products. It is up to the consumer to see through the bovine excrement and not allow themselves to be fooled into believing what they are being told.
     
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    I realize that a social democrat vs a socialist is too nuanced for many on the right to grasp. I mean bumpersticker bullshit is a way better way to understand the "other".

    I am also well aware that 94% of the American population in the 1938 were VEHEMENTLY opposed to nazism. So I guess at that time the democrats only represented 6% of America.

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/232949/american-public-opinion-holocaust.aspx


    While I was only an adolescent in the early 60's, I do vividly recall watching the drama of the civil rights movement unfold on our little B@W 16" television (when we could get reception from buffalo that is) and having lengthy discussion with my parents on what was unfolding.

    And IIRC republican good ol' boys like Edgar Ray Killen was a dixiecrat that "deserted" to the republican party in the early 60's. Of course back in the day, being a virulent racist was not restricted to either party, despite today's right wingers attempting to miscast democrats as the only racists. Then again, these days what they will "buy and swallow" is not surprising.

    That you equate "socialism" with "communism" is also rather revealing. Meanwhile social democracy is not only alive and well, but doing rather well for its people. Unless of course all those international assessments of the best countries to live and work are bullshit, and since the US doesn't crack the top 10, I suspect your default response is - yep bullshit.
     
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    And where exactly are you going to wait for the initial conflict wipes out everyone else? Under a rock or perhaps you'll dig a giant hole.

    But thanks for the reminder of the amazing naivety of youth. I bet by the time you are 25 you will, in a moment of self examination, realize just exactly how much you have forgotten since you once "knew it all".
     
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    Another Democrat trying to pass off the idea that only republicans are involved in gerrymandering.

    All it is is an excuse for the recent defeats of democrats. They act like before 2016 all the districts were perfect. They are just trying to push a narrative That trump isn't legitimately president.
     
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