Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski; America Should Stop Putin From Restoring Czarist Empire

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by litwin, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Yeah! LOL!!!

    This is just so much proof you have provided! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    37,994
    Likes Received:
    7,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Here are a few excerpts from Sharon Tennyson and what she found when she went back to Russia:

    1. The most startling fact for me is how well Russian people are withstanding being cut off from their normal long-standing markets and trading partners in Europe––and how they are faring since their ruble lost about half of its value in the past year. They were concerned about how long this period might last, but none registered serious fear or diffuse apprehension. Unlike us, Russians have gone through so much worse in their past. This is apparently rather small by comparison.

    2. Next, how healthy and vibrant Russia looks today. Not in my 32 years of traveling around Russia has this country looked so prosperous and orderly. It definitely doesn't look like an isolated country under sanctions. It looks like a healthy, robust place with a great deal of modernity present everywhere.

    3. There is a definite pride in Russia's citizenry that I had not seen previously. Today Russians respect themselves and their country, as opposed to the former years when, when to one degree or another, they seemed burdened with insecurities and self-doubt.

    4. Russia's structures, from 18th century buildings to today's skyscrapers, are well kept these days. Unlike yesteryear, streets and sidewalks are clean. We traveled by metros, minibuses, and cars inside these cities––and across the countrysides by train and occasionally by cars. Highways are finally in good shape, city streets also, and they are as well marked as ours––this is new. Pedestrians have the right away with traffic now! We saw few dilapidated houses, except for rows of original wooden houses in Volgograd. Russia's villages are disappearing which is a great loss to those who still revere village life. Khrushchev's five-story apartment buildings are being razed with numerous elegant residential buildings going up in each city. I counted 19 cranes from one vantage point in Ekaterinburg.

    5. Beauty and Russian classicism "are back" in Russia. Having survived the ugliness of the Soviet period, the bleakness and breakdown of the 1990s, Russian designers and architects have finally come upon classic styles for new building construction and decorating.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    If you notice Sharon Tennyson does not mention that the Russian economy is in a depression.

    How long do you think the Russian people will allow the Russian economy to keep sliding at over 4.2% a year before they start looking at what Putin has been and not been doing?

    AboveAlpha
     
  4. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I don't think the government's direct controll of business that can sink or swim your country is a bad thing. If that is the method he used to obtain the companies then who am I to judge. Each country works differently.

    Those businesses were probably corrupt anyway.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Because of the sanctions
     
  5. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    They were corrupt because Putin was taking a cut.

    He double crossed them and seized the whole kit and caboodle!

    AboveAlpha
     
  6. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Now he has full control and near direct control of the economy


    Russian economy has been doing good under Putin's rule. Living standards rose dramatically. Do you think that Putin could have accomplished what he accomplished with the economy if he didn't do what he did? That fast?

    The only reason it's doing bad right now is because of the sanctions.

    He's ex KGB so his cunning is expected.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    He has total control of a Russian Economy in a state of Depression.

    He miscalculated as to the ability the United States has controlling Oil Prices.

    The Russian Economy is highly dependent upon Energy Exports and 80% of all exports are Energy Exports.

    The flooding of the worlds oil market by the U.S. and Canada after Putin annexed the Crimea caused oil prices to fall from well over $100 a barrel to below $48 a barrel.

    The Russian Economy is very one dimensional and such a drop in oil prices was enough to collapse the Russian economy and render the Ruble worthless.

    The Ruble in 2014 stopped being accepted as a form of payment in Russia and the World Bank and IMF designated the U.S. Dollar and Treasury as Russia's Emergency Currency and Exchange.

    This lasted until both the U.S. and Canada lowered oil production.

    AboveAlpha
     
  8. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    37,994
    Likes Received:
    7,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    The Russian people know that Washington is demonizing Putin because he is putting the welfare of the Russian people before the welfare of Washington. They suffered in the nineties under Washington's man Yeltsin and the kleptocrats. who stole the wealth of their country while the Russian people were going hungry, and they will never allow it to happen again.

    Now let me explain something. Russia is an export nation, and when something is exported it goes for a much higher price than what it actually costs them in Russia to produce because of the low value of the Ruble. The money coming in goes far in Russia, and so the people are not suffering, nor will they suffer. If they had to import foods and goods for their survival and everyday living, then it would be a different story. Then they would suffer.

    Putin said he would never retaliate in a way that would hurt the Russian people, so when he embargoed the EU goods because of the sanctions, it was the opportunity Russia needed to develop its domestic food production and industries. The sanctions were really a blessing.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Explain why Putin and his 110 buddies own 35% of all Russian wealth?

    If Putin is such a man of the people as you say why is he stealing all that money?

    AboveAlpha
     
  10. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Because they own the companies?

    If you think that the oligarchs and companies heads at the time when russian mob ran rampant were all following the rules and were crimeless than I'm sorry.

    Putin just played them and seized control. U
     
  11. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    They seized the companies and are stealing all the profits.

    The sad thing is they keep telling the people what a good job they are doing as they make sure these companies pay their taxes but what good is that if a STATE OWNED COMPANY has all it's profits stolen by Putin and those 110 buddies of his?

    Every time someone on this forum goes on about what a great man Putin is I ask them the same thing....Why do 111 Russian's own 35% of all Russian wealth?

    AboveAlpha
     
  12. DonRumataEstorsky

    DonRumataEstorsky Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2015
    Messages:
    1,044
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Russia do not care how much you are and how strong you are.
     
  13. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Of course he takes the profits. Doesn't mean he keeps it.

    What if america had a company. What do you think will happen to its profits? Do you think the president will keep it and spend it all on himself?

    No, he will take the profits, and re invest it into his own country.

    In russia, business and country are interchangeable. Because they are an export economy. Unlike america which relies mostly on imports.

    Russia didn't have ww2 like america did to pull them out of their great depression after soviet economic collapse.

    With corruption ALREADY rampant. Seizing control of the high profile businesses and useing its profits gained to re invest into the the country seems like the most viable way to get things done. Given the state of things.

    In reality, that money lent probably went directly to the Russian mob and oligarchs.

    So nothing could be done about it.
     
  14. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    25,165
    Likes Received:
    759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The " Russian" people know nothing much like Gremans in 19 42 the same media technology, the similar ideologies ....
     
  15. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Wrong. We have Internet now. Unlimited information at the finger tips
     
  16. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    25,165
    Likes Received:
    759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    does she have internet at home too?[​IMG]
     
  17. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Well if that was true then Russia would no longer have a Military now would it??

    Besides....Russia has nothing the U.S. wants or needs with the exception of some good vodka and caviar.

    AboveAlpha
     
  18. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Well the U.S. does not have State Owned Companies but if we did....100% of the Profit would go back into the U.S. Fiscal Budget.

    In Russia....Putin and his 110 buddies are personally stealing Russian State Owned Company Profits.

    AboveAlpha
     
  19. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    25,165
    Likes Received:
    759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Swedish vodka is way better ---
     
  20. Borat

    Borat Banned

    Joined:
    May 18, 2011
    Messages:
    23,909
    Likes Received:
    9,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Even French vodka is significantly better than Russian. That's actually embarrassing LOL :D
     
  21. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I will tell you I was in what was at the time Leningrad in 1984 at a Communist Party Leadership Only Club on the Neva River as I was with a few GRU members as at that time I had been sent first to Moscow and then to what is now once again called St. Petersburg to help develop Back Channel Communications between the U.S. and Russia as this was right after the whole Able Archer 83 debacle when Soviet Leader Yuri Andropov who was a sick, dying and delusional man almost started WWIII as Andropov thought that the NATO war game called ABLE ARCHER 83 was actually going to be a NUCLEAR FIRST STRIKE against the Soviet Union by NATO and the United States.

    The world came within about 45 seconds of being destroyed but at the last moment the younger members of the KGB and GRU were able to convince the Old Soviet Guard that Andropov was DELUSIONAL!!!

    Andropov was so sick and delusional as he was dying that he went and told his aid that he...Yuri Andropov wanted to go down in history as the Soviet Leader who destroyed NATO and the United States.

    His aid alerted the KGB and GRU but they didn't listen as Yuri Andropov had been the head of the KGB under Brezhnev and Andropov as sick and delusional as he was had CONVINCED a large number of members in the KGB, GRU and Soviet Military that NATO and the U.S. would attack.

    Back then we had just begun to deploy the 108 Pershing II Intermediate Tactical Nuclear Missiles in West Germany and we had just begun to deploy the soon to be over 500 Nuclear Cruise Missiles all over Europe.

    Andropov in his sick and dying mind actually thought that the U.S. had ALREADY deployed both the Cruise Missiles and the Pershing II's.

    The Soviet's were very worried about both missiles but especially worried about the Pershing II's as they had a 750 Kiloton Warhead...Hiroshima was about 12 Kilotons....and the Pershing II's during Testing had actually had a number of DIRECT HITS as they had landed within an actual PHYSICAL circular bulls-eye target's center of 10 meters.

    The Pershing II's were an extremely fast and accurate in the extreme missile that when deployed in West Germany would have a very short fly time of less than 3 minutes which would not give the Soviet Leadership or Military anywhere NEAR any amount of time to get their Nuclear Football ready to send Russian Nuclear Launch Codes.

    Thus the United States WHEN...but not at that time when Yuri Andropov thought they were deployed...but WHEN the Pershing II's were deployed would allow the United States to DECAPITATE the Soviet Leadership and Military.

    In Yuri Andropov's mind all 108 Pershing II's had already been deployed and so had the over 500 Nuclear Cruise Missiles.

    In reality the U.S. had only a few Pershing II's deployed by October of that year of 1983.

    Anyways....about a 3 days after I and my KGB and GRU Counterparts had successfully finished developing a Back Chanel System of Communication that would prevent anything like what happened during Able Archer 83 to EVER happen again I went to that Club on the Neva River.

    The GRU guy's turned me on to this...as I was told....super expensive vodka that tasted like water and although it is said Vodka has no taste it does and when I drank that Vodka I can tell you it really did taste like WATER!!! LOL!!!

    The name of it eludes me now and I was told it was made by a former employee who worked for Stoli.

    AboveAlpha
     
  22. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I don't want to be the idiot to not believe something if it if it's true.

    Is there proof that Putin put this money into his and his buddies personal accounts?

    If there is no proof, I'm inclined not to believe.
     
  23. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Who knows, I live In the USA. But if 3rd world countries have smart phones, then why not her too?
     
  24. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    There is an INCREDIBLE amount of proof...and some of it is PHYSICAL.

    Run a search on.....PUTIN'S PALACE.

    This is a multi-million dollar PALACE as it is way too big to be called a mansion.

    It was discovered by the Russian Media BEFORE Putin seized control over the Russian Media and when this happened Putin had the deed placed into the name of his close friend.

    This Palace is astounding and was built with stolen Russian State Owned Energy Company Profits.

    AboveAlpha
     
  25. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    LOL!!!!

    TODAY....I watched a woman who looked a great deal like this at Walgreens pay for her merchandise by touching her SMART PHONE to the cash registers screen.

    The woman was about 85 years old and had her hair covered with a kerchief very much like this lady!!! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     

Share This Page