Escalation? U.S. Navy Fires Warning Shots At Iranian Ship .....

perhaps but it's clear that the American people voted for an isolationist president twice and seem prepared to consider it again.

All the military might in the world can't compensate for a lack of spirit or determination to see the job done. Iraq was won, there was some stability in the Middle East. That was all thrown away and now we see a genuine 'quagmire'. one much worse than what the leftists once predicted. And that quagmire has spread to Europe and around the world, with more terrorism coming to the US as well. It's all chicken(*)(*)(*)(*) defensive attempts now.

 

Iraq was never won.. We couldn't control anything outside the Green Zone.. We couldn't even control the highway between Baghdad and the airport.

 

Iraq was stable. In 2011 there were 54 US casualties, from all sources, and that's less than what you get in a weekend in Chicago.

The Iraqi people were voting, there was a genuine chance at Democracy in the area, and now we see what we have. Surely you must see the difference between Iraq in 2011 and the Iraq of today. No?

No difference in Libya either? In Turkey? Western Europe? No difference in the number of casualties in the United States?

 

The United States, working in concert with Saudi Arabia, in a plan which was devised in concert with the Israelis, played a huge role in the turmoil in Iraq. The seeds of the policies that led to that turmoil go back to the fact that after the US invasion, the groups that were winning the Iraqi elections were allied to Iran. The Saudis and company didn't want an Iraq allied to Iran in the region and were working to destablize Iraq as a result. The neocons then decided on their "Redirection", encouraging Shia-Sunni divisions and supporting the Sunnis after initially ousting Saddam and paving the way for the Shia to rise in power in Iraq. In this dynamic, the US and the Saudis began to create, fund, and support Sunni militias in Iraq as a counter weight to Iranian influence. The "Sons of Iraq", a force of 100,000, with ex Saddam officers and Sunni recruits was created. The Iraqi leader that the US had plotted to take over in place of Jaffari because the latter was seen as being too close to Iran, namely Maleki, began to realize that he had no where else to go to save his skin and began moving towards Iran. He insisted that the Sunni militias be disbanded and the threat to his authority and the authority of the Iraqi government be neutralized, but the US had other plans. That force, which was ostensibly supposed to help fight Al Queda, eventually merged into what became ISIS, with arms and funds from another fight against an Iranian backed regime in Syria flooding into Iraq and Syria and vice versa. While the US may not have planned the rise of ISIS as such, it did everything else in its power to weaken the authority of the Iraqi government it had itself installed in power as part of the Redirection and created the conditions for the power vacuum and the flood of arms, funds, and weapons that gave rise to the group.

 

Who is in whose territory, again?

 

Incidentally, the seeds of the policies I refer to (which were continued under Obama after he took over) were laid down by the Bush administration and the contours of that policy were laid out in Seymour Hersh's article "The Redirection" -- an article that appeared in the New Yorker in 2007, long before the rise of ISIS but which foreshadowed the rise of such groups.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection

 

What would we be running away from, exactly? We shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

In fact the rise of these groups had been predicted for quite some time but they became more vocal during 2011 when Obama said he would remove the troops and 'end the war'.

Of course the Islamists would take over. They had been waiting in Iraq for such an opportunity and Obama gave it to them.

He'll be releasing more prisoners from Gitmo as well, probably with Presidential pardons.

 

And the Islamists shouldn't be murdering innocent people in Europe, North America, Asia, etc. Time to join the real world.

 

That would be the Saud....the UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Qatar.

I already did my time and left pieces of me in another land. Sua Sponte, Huah. When is it your time to put your ass on the line for the country.

When will you put your mouth and all you can be.....out there on a battlefield and man up, show us how you can survive at least for a week. Let alone a couple of Tours.

 

May be they want to have the New England back ... I cannot exclude they will try and reconquer New York ...

Jokes a part, it's evident that with the perspective not to be in a future EU military system, the United Kingdom needs to be able to project its power oversea by its own. About this EU can count on French and Italian carriers.

 

Again....when will it be your time. When will you find the heart, the courage, the balls. To put your ass on the line.

Its amazing how those such as yourself....think about Arm chair warriors with out having a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue as to Who actually has led and served.

 

See if you can follow the real issue: a large, Sunni military force outside the regular Iraqi army, was created named the "Sons of Iraq". It was created, funded, and armed by the US. The Saudi were also funding their own Sunni militia and allies in Iraq. All this against the wishes of the "democratic Iraqi government" which the US had helped install in that country! At some point, the monster the US (and Saudi Arabia and company) were implicitly and explicitly supporting and creating in Iraq in order to "contain Iran", would rise to bite, not just Iran, but those who had created it in the first place!

It was actually largely the same story with Saddam himself! His megalomania and ambitions were fed by the support he received when he was fighting Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, with the Saudis, Kuwaitis and company pouring something around $500 billion into his military machine. In the process, to contain Iran, they created a monster they couldn't control.

 

When were the Saudis in Iraq? I can't ever remember them supporting Saddam Hussein.

 

Saudi Arabia supported Saddam all throughout the Iran-Iraq war! That is beyond dispute.

 

$100 says they wouldn't be doing that if the US and Europe hadn't gone charging into Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya, toppling governments and sewing chaos, and now attempting the same in Syria.

 

I bet you $100 that there will be any pardons to the POW of the GWOT.

First of all, they were never convicted of anything. There were few actual trials, and on the positive side, several of the military Jag officers actually spoke out against what was being done by the higher ups. Not being convicted, there is nothing to pardon.

Little bit of trivia--the first men actually convicted in federal court under George Washington were those men involved in the Whiskey Rebellion, who Washington himself captured, and stopped the protest.

Were men more decent and honorable in those days? Washington pardoned those men as he left office.

In today's world of obscene prison sentences and mean spirited people, no politician would favor pardons, if asked on TV.

 

Look.....the whole Fast attack Speed Boat/Flying Boat thing is a JOKE!!

We would destroy such Boat planes so fast it would be funny and the Iranian Navy Leadership KNOW THIS!!

You are talking about attacking THE U.S. NAVY!!!!!

And also remember the U.S. Military fights wars in an INTEGRATED SERVICE MANNER!!

If Iran was to attack the U.S. Navy in ANY WAY....be it a direct attack from one of these flying bats or even a MINE....the American Public would be SCREAMING FOR BLOOD!!

And THAT would truly be a disaster for Iran.

Especially when Iran is only 10 to 15 years from becoming a U.S. Ally.

AND THAT WILL HAPPEN!!

I am one of a very few number of American's who have been to Iran and I have been there 2 times and the Iranian people are all KIDS!!

I was there as part of a Security Detail to protect U.S. Nuclear Inspectors and although the Iranian Secret Police shadowed our even movement we did get a chance to talk to some of the Iranian people specifically Students and they were very curious about us and very kind and they don't want war and if anything all they want is to live their lives FREE and FREE OF THE IRANIAN RELIGIOUS THEOCRACY!!

The women and girls well they do their best with what they can show as even though they have head scarf on they take great time and pride to do their makeup and lip stick as appealing as possible and they are VERY attracted to American men.

And they absolutely HATE that they are basically 2nd class citizens in their own country.

So as soon as the Iranian Theocracy collapses and it will collapse and Iran FINALLY becomes a true democracy it will be then that an Iranian/American alliance begins which will be good for everybody.

BUT PLEASE!!!

When you post pictures of silly little Boat planes and declare....."THIS IS IRANIAN ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE THAT WE CAN USE TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM AMERICAN AGGRESSION!!"......no....no you can't and no it won't and we have no intention of being aggressive nor do we have any intention of attacking Iran.

BUT....if Iran does not hold up it's end of the agreement.....if Iran BREAKS THE NPT which IRAN SIGNED in order to get Nuclear Technology and be able to get Nuclear Reactors and Nuclear Fuel...because Iran did NOT have the ability or technology to build nuclear reactors on it's own so it signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty agreement in order to get this tech and the reactors and nuclear fuel.....and this is the one thing that I know and can tell you will 100% CERTAINTY because this is something that I PERSONALLY am aware of because I have been in the LOOP as far as this for a long time!!

And that is.....

IF.....IF......If Iran made the mistake of developing a Nuclear Weapon and let's face it this is EASY to do if you have the Weapons Grade Nuclear Fuel which Iran has been enriching Uranium as it has built over 10,000 centrifuges and it as hidden these at several underground facilities and LIED ABOUT IT.....but because the United States has had for many decades DEEP GROUND AND OCEAN PENETRATING RADAR which for some reason Iran either did not remember or just was stupid enough to disregard as NASA has placed this type of radar on a multitude of our Interplanetary Probes such as those we sent to Mars, Venus...etc....and although Iran said they did not build any underground SECRET Nuclear Facilities all it took was a flyby of a U.S. Satellite equipped with our Deep ground penetrating radar and then we presented these facts to the U.S.'s IAEA which is the International Atomic Energy Agency and then when Iran was asked again......well...

.......Iran then said......"OOOOOOHHHHHHH!!! YOU MEAN THOOOOOOSSEE SECRET UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR FACILITIES!!??"

LOL!!

YEAH!!!! THOSE!!!! LOL!!!

Anyways.....since anyone in the WORLD can go on the Internet and look up the plans for the U.S. Military's circa 1945 Atomic Bomb PLANS and anyone can chose whether they want the plans for the Plutonium Core Implosion device or the Uranium Gun Barrel Device all that is needed for Iran to build a Nuclear Bomb is the Weapons Grade Fissile Material.

And as I said.....THE ABSOLUTE WORSE THING AND MOST IDIOTIC THING IRAN COULD DO IS TO MAKE A NUCLEAR WEAPON!!

If Iran did this.......the United States would have NO CHOICE BUT TO INVADE IRAN!! NO CHOICE!!!!

The FIRST thing that would happen at the same time would be U.S. Cyber-Command shutting down Iran's Power Grid and shut down all Internet as well as shut down all Iranian Computer controlled weapons systems that are vulnerable to such an attack.

And at the same time we would target and destroy all Iranian Radar Stations and early Warming Detection as well destroyed all Iranian air bases BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE DESTROYED THE AIRCRAFT NOR THE HANGERS YET NOR WILL WE HAVE TARGETED HUMAN BARRACKS AND HUMAN TROOP CONCENTRATION.

U.S. Electronic Warfare Capabilities would be heavily directed at Iran and in all this confusion as Iranian Military Units would find it very difficult if not impossible to communicate with Command and Control.....we would destroy and decapitate Iranian Command and Control as well.

In all that confusion THOUSANDS of U.S. Special Forces, Special Teams, Army Rangers and CIA Teams would be dropped into Iran and especially in and around Iran's Nuclear Facilities where U.S. Special Forces along with members of the U.S. dept. of Energy would capture, secure and begin the immediate process of shutting down any and all nuclear related activity including centrifuge enrichment.

U.S. Navy and Marine Air Cover along with USAF Air Cover would provide protection for U.S. Special Forces, Special Teams and Army Rangers who would secure those at one time Iranian Nuclear Facilities and the U.S. WOULD SEND IRAN AN ULTIMATUM AGAIN SAYING....

......At this point in time U.S. Forces have captured and secured all of your Nuclear facilities and they sole purpose is to secure all nuclear materials for removal and deactivate and destroy all you current nuclear technology including removal and storage of all reactor fuel rods.

As you are well aware the United States Military has effectively shut down your power grid and communications and disrupted and destroyed the vast majority of your military's command and control and as we speak our Military has targeted your entire Naval Fleet, all of your Aircraft, all your Mechanized Divisions, your Missiles, your Highways, Bridges, every single Iranian Leaders Home, all of your Government Buildings, Your Military Industrial Complex as every single Factory, Assembly Plant, Aircraft hanger and every single location you use to either build or supply or design your military apparatus is located, targeted AND WILL BE DESTROYED.

HOWEVER....the United States will NOT attack any further IF Iran capitulates on allowing our Teams to dismantle all Iranian Nuclear Facilities using experts from the U.S. Dept. of Energy which is the foremost authority in the world in such things and as long as Iran does NOT attempt to recapture back these at one time Iranian Military nuclear weapons as well as attempt to retake these now under U.S. Military Control nuclear facilities.

The United States Military will continue it's actions in the removal and destruction of your former nuclear faculties and as long as there are no aggressive moves by the Iranian Military against U.S. Forces at those locations the United States will NOT bomb or destroy any more Iranian Targets.

but if the Iranian Military DOES attempt to counter attack U.S. forces either at the nuclear facilities or anywhere else the United States will have NO CHOICE but to continue the systematic obliteration of ALL IRANIAN TARGETS INCLUDING IRANIAN TROOP CONCENTRATIONS.


And......that would basically be it.

And to be HONEST I don't even know if we would even stop and give you this opportunity as far as give you a SECOND ultimatum as we very well may say..."Well....they had their chance so let's go clean house!"

And THAT would be very, very unfortunate for YOU.

AA

 

The posts by AA, which represent to me a deluded stream of consciousness, include a rather interesting mixture of utter fantasy, somewhat more credible imagination, sprinkled with a tidbit of facts to build points which are made with varying degrees of coherence. In any case, since AA's posts carry what are mostly in the nature of admonitions that need to be heeded by someone who must be in a position to even bother with such admonitions (as pretentious as they may be), I leave AA's fantasies to himself.

At the same time, however, I like to use this opportunity to further discuss some of the weapons systems Iran has developed and see if anyone can offer any intelligent feedback about them. In this regard, and to fit the topic of this thread, let me begin by discussing the most recent incident (early in the year) involving an Iranian UAV operating over a US aircraft carrier filming its operations, and do so as a means to discuss Iran's UAV program.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/this-...flew-over-an-american-aircraft-carrier-2016-2

This is the Iranian drone that flew over an American aircraft carrier

As mentioned in the reports, the Shahed 129 drone (which has flown combat missions in Syria and Iraq and targeted ISIS and other terrorist forces in those countries with its missiles and munitions) is capable of carrying 8 missiles and can fly a distance of around 2,000 km and be kept in flight for around 24 hours. Of course, since Shahed 129 (among a host of different drones Iran has developed) can also function as reconnaissance drones, they have also flown reconnaissance missions without their missiles as was the case when it flew over the US aircraft carrier.

What makes me want to discuss Iran's drones are two things: first, most people are probably unaware that Iran rates among the top 5 countries in the world (ahead of Russia) in terms of drone technology , and has gained more hands on experience operating these drones in real combat situations in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere than any other country besides the US. Second, there was a report recently (which has the Israeli military in quite a state of embarrassment) involving a Hezbollah drone (and Hezbollah's drones are based on Iran's drones and technology) flying into Israel and returning safely to base, with Israel attempting to bring down the drone unsuccessfully. 2 patriot missiles were fired at the drone, and both missed, while an F-16 was scrambled to intercept the drone but the F-16 was also unable to hit the drone! I think that incident should provide some food for thought!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a22114/hezbollah-drone-israel-patriot-missile/
How Did Hezbollah's Drone Evade a Patriot Missile?
​And does that mean we should be suddenly very worried?

A video of the Shahed 129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7R6DvyV0Wg

 

Neither Obama nor Clinton would respond in the way you describe. National security was never a major concern for either.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PubtrhQrkY

 

You just keep on deluding yourself and we will continue to contain Iran.

AA

 

I don't need to delude myself. All the intense propaganda notwithstanding, and the attempts to ridicule the progress made by Iran's military industry, the military equipment build by Iran has been successfully and effectively used helping various forces in battle in wars around the region -- against Israel at the hands of Hezbollah, in the Syrian civil war, in Iraq, and elsewhere.

Btw, the incident I have referred to involving the Hezbollah drone maneuvering and successfully avoiding patriot missiles and air to air missiles from the Israeli F-16s scrambled to intercept it is very significant. The Israelis, caught in the embarrassment, are using their propaganda organs to claim, among other things, that UAV probably used "pirated American technology" from the American UAVs downed and captured by Iran. But the problem with that theory is that those American UAV's were downed by Iran; this one was able to evade not only the sophisticated Patriot missiles which Israel operates (not just once, but twice), but it maneuvered brilliantly to avoid the air-to-air missiles fired against it by Israeli F-16s as well. The drone operated over Israeli skies for something like 1 hour before it returned to base safely!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UI2t2HWgho

 

Lets hope they keep running off at the mouth and then make that one mistake they shouldn't. Then we solve their problem for them. Permanently!

 

Iran has been able to exercise its international muscle through propaganda, international terrorism and the outmaneuvering of democracy's interests. That a backward nation like Iran can be taken seriously says more about the West's clear failures in the Middle East, especially in the case of Barrack Obama, than Iran's strengths.

The Ayatollahs had better be more cautious should more hawkish leaders assume leadership in the democracies. A country that couldn't defeat Saddam Hussein in a long fought war, a war won in days with US leadership, should be recognized for the punk nation it is and dealt with appropriately.