Even cheating didn't help the GOP

Well I can't fairly single out you as a hysteric when that describes much of the country right now. But it does make it difficult to impossible to have a rational conversation with you when you create a thread that is a lie right from the subject line and doesn't really address the real issue, the law and the constitution. It's not that you seem to really disagree with the court on the legal issue, you disagree with them on the hysteria issue, which seems to be, "no rules because corona."

I'm sorry but I can't accept hysteria as a legitimate legal argument.

 

Republicans get accused of cheating and Tony the Tyrant gets a pass for breaking the law? Wow...

 

You only care about the lives of your fellow Americans when it is politically convenient for you to do so - you have no issue whatsoever with the law putting people in danger, unless doing do furthers your political agenda.

 

You have no issue whatsoever with the law putting people in danger, unless doing do furthers your political agenda.
Thus, your faux concern.

 

There is the core of the problem at last: the "real issue" to you is the letter of the law, while to me it's the possible consequences for the human beings affected by this ruling.

I wasn't making a legal argument in the first place. My argument is ethical and moral in nature.

 

That's amazing ... how do you do that? We've never met, yet you have this whole litany of what I am and what I feel and what I want. You must be some kind of a genius with paranormal abilities. Either that, or you're assigning your own worst personality traits to me. Which is it?

You are wrong on all counts. You have no idea what I feel for my fellow Americans, as messy as they all can be. Heck, I don't wish harm of any kind even on you, in spite of the fact that virtually all of your replies to me are deliberately insulting on a personal level. Which is why I'm responding in kind, btw.

Do us both a favor and put me on your ignore list for a while. Unless, of course, you're actually enjoying the rancor, and if so, what would that say about you?

 

As this thread does not have any forcing of anybody to do anything, it does not take away anybody's right to vote or any other right. In fact you are arguing that voting should be "given to you for free."

 

[QUOTE="Sleep Monster, post: 1071605697, member: 82747"I'm not making a political point (see #72). I'm trying to make a f@#king human point. [/QUOTE]If you are not making a political point, why your comment, "Incompetence in a time of pandemic is not, sadly, reserved to the Trump administration alone."? Your dislike of Trump has no relevance to the thread and can only be a political statement.

 

Where was the cheating? More fake news from a dem...

 

My statement is supported by the fact you take no exception to the innumerable other ways the law puts people in danger -- just this one.
Your "concern" is agenda-driven, and nothing else.

 

I think finally we get down to the real root of our disagreement. That rarely happens!

 

No. I'm arguing that it was "given to you for free" (not necessarily referring to you personally, but to anybody who got it for free). In other words, most people haven't had to do anything or given up anything, to obtain it or to protect it... some might not even know anybody who has ever had to do anything to keep that right. And that's when people start thinking that voting is only a "right" and forget that it's much more than that. It's also a duty.

 

I started this thread about a single issue/event.

If you want to debate other ways in which our government violates our rights, our freedoms, or our safety, start your own thread.

 

That really is funny.

 

This is no way changes the fact you only care about the law placing people in harms way when you find it politically convenient to do so.
Americans lives are, to you , nothing but political currency.

 

No matter how many times that claim is made unless you can produce some of these voters it's not true. Ironically for you most of the voter fraud from recent cycles have been republicans caught cheating like Taylor's campaign in Virginia. Or the people in Texas and Iowa caught trying to vote twice for Trump. The worst actual case I've found against democrats was a permanent resident who thought she could vote and even checked with the registrar before voting and used her green card as ID.

But you just hang on to your catchy if untrue phrase because it's all you have.

 

Don't worry, nobody expects a legitimate argument with you.

 

Being *******s isn't the same as cheating

 

Survey data suggests strongly that over a million non citizens voted in 2008, and that over 600k people voted in more than one state. And there exists anecdotal evidence going back as far as boss Tweed of corrupt Machine politics almost all of it Democrat. You can ignore it if you want but it makes it no less real.

 

Yet all your surveys and anecdotal evidence has produced less than a few dozen actual fraud cases like those I noted.
I could say 3 million killed in the US by covid 19 but if I can't produce the bodies and only anectdotal evidence from my Aunt Helen it falls under unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. You may as well up the number to 10 or even 20 million for all it's worth.

 

So let’s assume that November comes around and the pandemic was still going with thousands dying an no real herd immunity because our idiot governors refuse to open up their economies.

Let’s also assume for a moment that no deal can be struck on mass mail in voting.

Would you suggest postponing the election and keeping trump in office until election season can be held “safely” in person?

 

Wow I'm sure you think that's a real zinger!

Ironic coming from someone on the pro-hysteria side of the argument.

 

Good news for you! We are now accepting "anectdotal evidence from my Aunt Helen" to determine COVID-19 death stats!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

 

I risked my life yesterday, we needed some bacon for the BLT's we wanted, so I went to the grocery store. My god, the things we have to do just to stay alive.... it's horrifying.
At least to those who are obsessed with blaming their miserable lives failure on Trump.

 

Sooooo . . . by cheating you mean Hillary knowingly purchasing a Russian disinformation dossier on Trump and handing it to Obama's intelligence and law enforcement agencies and them KNOWING that it was Russian disinformation, but going ahead and using it anyway in order to 'GET' Trump for the political benefit of both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton? THAT sort of . . . cheating?