Ex-President Jimmy Carter Defends Trump, Says Mueller’s Time is Up

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  1. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did Obama specifically speak against you, as an American?

    Trump called torch bearing, white nationalists chanting Nazi slogans like, "Blood and soil," very fine people. White nationalists advocate America giving up land to create a country for white people only, and do not view other races as equals. We already fought the Civil War over separating the country into parts, and it's not happening.

    We are, by design, a country of immigrants, where everyone is considered equal, regardless of race, religion, country of origin, etc. Trump needs to express those ideals as President. He can say whatever he wants when he's a private citizen.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bolton never had the President's ear before, especially a President without experience in government that likes to counterpunch. The mere fact that he's pro-war in North Korea and Iran, at a time when Trump has exacerbated tensions with Iran and North Korea is worrisome.

    Bolton may prove to be OK as National Security Advisor, but his history makes people nervous, for a reason.
     
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    I get your point. If you can hold your breath for a few years, only then might you see war that can be blamed on Bolton. Bolton has had the ear of 3 presidents so i do not understand you saying he has not.

    Trump is in the hot seat. And he is adapting to the hot seat. I do not believe based on things Bolton has said, ignored by the left wingers, that he charges into wars. Trump has come out swinging the opposite direction.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama signed into law direct things against me. And his health law was against the public. While he would say it did good for a few, he can't say it did good for all of us.

    I know what Trump said. And he was telling America that despite the media, not every person at the march was lousy. And he included both the Antifa which to me is truly dangerous yet even there I believe a few of them are decent people caught in with the wrong people.

    We have so few of those nationalists that I do not pay them one bit of attention. They do not deserve my attention. Antifa does not either.

    I am not clear if they see them as equals or not, but they hate the trouble caused by blacks. Me, I live in a white area so blacks do not bother me one bit. I lost a friend to a few mexicans though and he was a great human. Shot dead in his business. I had seen a local businessman one time at his business and a bit later he was killed by 3 blacks who fortunately were caught. But it did not bring him back to life and the building lay empty for a long time.

    I am far less of an immigrant perhaps than you are. My roots in this country go back to the 1700s. It would be silly to call myself an immigrant.
     
  5. Robert

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    ha ha ha. Clever. Sure we know about investigations. More than they seem to know.
     
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    It's a matter of paying attention and not taking things at face value.
     
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    Bolton was sent to the UN to get him out of DC, and away from decision making. He's never held this position, but he was Romney's National Security Advisor during his campaign.

    I know you like Bolton, but I am wary of him and war weary. We have other needs than to pick a fight with North Korea and Iran, if we can avoid it. Frankly, we can't afford to go to war.

    He's apparently going to get the job, so we'll see how he does.

    I agree with you that Trump is in the hot seat, but I don't agree that he's adapting. He never made the pivot many were expecting and hoping for. He changes things around him rather than changing himself.
     
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    Hopefully Trump will not give us reasons to hate him such as starting an unneeded war or ruining the economic with unneeded trade wars.
     
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    Yes, I could see that you learned nothing, mushroom.
     
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    Congress makes law. Blame them for laws you don't like.

    I can't agree with you on Charlottesville. Trump made a major mistake there, and he can't fix it. He's also compounded the error with other things he's said.

    Robert, I'm white live in the south, outside a large majority black city. There are good and bad people of every race. People are people.

    As far as you being less of an immigrant than me…. my ancestors first arrived in the province of Maryland sometime prior to 1670, but with a documented tract of land ownership from 1687. Some of the family left for New Orleans soon after, but a few stayed and one became governor of the state, after the Revolutionary War. People in the south often have DEEP American roots. ;)

    The majority of Americans are only third generation or less. That means their great-grandparents were in a different country.
     
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    I am only telling you Trumps actual belief. I can't make you believe it. But you do have it wrong. I have not said all blacks are bad at all. I deal with very good blacks. So long as they play the discrimination game, I shall reply as I do.

    So you nor I are immigrants. Thanks for the lecture on immigrants. What is so fun on the forum is those who think I know nothing despite my having been born in the 1930s who may think I never left my house.

    PS, I was told that our first known relative arrived at Jamestown which puts them here in the early 1600s. I was not accounting for both sides of my family tree when I mentioned the later 1700s.

    By the way, all Obama had to do was not sign that lousy law.
     
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    We are at loggerheads. I plan to give Trump more adaption time. I have my share of disappointments with him but realize the group there is a lot larger than simply him.
     
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    He's supposed to get the bottom of Russian interference in our politics. Trump may or may not be involved.
    He should do his job and not rush.
    You seem to be describing yourself.
     
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    With the mentality of the left, I can imagine them still trying to drag dirt up on Trump even many years after he has left his presidency position from either a future election or retirement.
     
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    Where does it say that Jimmy Carter called it a witch hunt OP? lol... right wingers lie as easy as they breath, which is one reason why they adore the birther-in-chief...a kindred spirit.
     
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    Well they can't censor him if none of them can point to any evidence of collusion. I suspect Mueller has given up on the collusion theory and is looking for other areas of impropriety.
     
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    They can censure him for several things. The "S-hole" comment, his response to Charlottesville, and other things. Several have already pursued doing so, but they are Democrats in a Republican controlled Congress, so it went nowhere.

    The revelation yesterday, that Manafort was in frequent contact with a known former member of Russian intelligence (and there are no "former" Russian intelligence agents,) sews up collusion. Then there's also the offer for Manafort to give updates on the campaign to a Russian oligarch. Why would he offer that is a question remaining to be answered. Gates is key here, and he's cooperating with Mueller.

    What it doesn't prove is that Trump knew Manafort was colluding, but Manafort was the chairman of the campaign, so the campaign was involved. That was a major charge for Mueller.

    My guess has always been that Mueller will either get Trump on money laundering, or obstruction of justice.
     
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    "Funny" picture or not,
    Mueller has a history of obsessive overreach and abuse of power. Just ask Dr. Stephen Hatfill about his nice multi million dollar settlement against the Mueller FBI when Robert hounded and pursued an innocent man years after the FBI knew Hatfill was not their man in their investigation of anthrax attacks.

    I'm not sure that's his assignment. At any rate, if Trump isn't suspected of colluding with Putin anymore, as he isn't, Mueller should come out and declare that...but that probably wouldn't suit his desire to blacken Trump's image as much as possible.

    As like with Jimmy Carter I have some doubt as to what that job is exactly.

    And yet I'm not.
     
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    I don't think it is the business of Congress to reprimand a president for expressing an opinion in what is supposed to be a private closed-door meeting. I suppose I also agree with him that countries that are excluded from some of our immigration laws because they are in such dire states pretty much defines them as shithole countries.
     
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    Alas, we're a nation of racists Trump is further dividing for his political gain.
     
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    It is his mandate. Trump cooked his own goose when he fired Comey.
    How do you know he isn't? What evidence do you have exonerating him?
    Maybe he isn't because the question hasn't been resolved.
    If he really wanted to "blacken Trump's image," wouldn't he say Trump is a person of interest?

    You made two unsupported claims: (1) Trump did not collude with the Russians, and (2) Mueller is trying to "blacken Trump's image."
     
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    I dig your source.

    Katrina Pierson

    Katrina Pierson is a senior adviser for the 2020 Trump Campaign and is formerly the Spokesperson for America First Policies, the non-profit organization formed by former Trump campaign staff to remain active in legislative efforts outside the White House.
     
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    It's fake news. If that's a defense then OJ was guilty (and he was.) In any event, Carter is simply saying he wishes Mueller would play his hand - in either direction.

    I hardly take it as a defense.

    Fake news.
     
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    It's you are making the unsupported claim about that. Jeeezus! Where is your proof that he did?
    Oh, right. There is none.


    https://www.dailywire.com/news/17558/robert-mueller-already-leaking-damage-trump-and-john-nolte
    It's been going on for some time now. Try and keep up.
     

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