Ex-President Jimmy Carter Defends Trump, Says Mueller’s Time is Up

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  1. bois darc chunk

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    He tested his strongest ballistic missile in November, 2017, though. We may have made a dent, but we didn't stop his program if we did something in September.
     
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    Thanks for posting this. I asked the question in post 28, figuring that Carter wouldn't like the Bolton pick.
     
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    This isn't really a defense of Trump at all.

    But Jimmy Carter is doing what Ex Presidents are supposed to do (and which Trump almost certainly won't do).

    But on the subject of John Bolton, Carter couldn't keep it in.

    "Maybe one of the worst mistakes that President Trump has made since he’s been in office is his employment of John Bolton, who has been advocating a war with North Korea for a long time and even an attack on Iran, and who has been one of the leading figures on orchestrating the decision to invade Iraq,” Carter said. He called the appointment, announced last week, “a disaster for our country.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-john-bolton-disaster-our-country/459458002/
     
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    I was listening to one of the right wing talkers (I think it was Wilkow) ridicule Carter's comments on the disasterous Bolton choice.

    He, and his little panel ridiculed Carter's foreign policy.

    Of course, Carter got the Salt II treaty signed, negotiated the Camp David Accords (which have held for 40 years), and the recognition of China.

    The only thing he could not control was the revolution in Iran. But three decades of US policy made that a mountain no US president could have conquered.
     
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    If you or I got talked about daily, primarily by the media, that happens to be 7 percent republican and the rest anti republican, we would have the reputations of whores too.

    It is a concerted attack on more than Trump, the entire presidency.

    I don't know of a single racist thing said by Trump. I do know this though. I am dead serious.
    We all have the right to hold our views. Some of the most evil views in men's minds are still their right to hold.

    Actions are different. If a evil mind does evil actions, laws are on the books.

    I hear of the emoluments violation yet nobody shows in law how that is.

    I am in awe you truly are anti free speech. I had no clue.
     
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    If Mueller had anything on Trump that possessed even a remote chance of standing up in court then he would have issued charges by now. The reason -- aside from politically aiding the Dem Party -- that Mueller is still dragging out this charade is that as long as he does then HE cannot really be investigated for various nefarious activities in his past that have gradually come to light. It's a tiger, and he's got it by the tail; and he's desperately holding on for all he's worth for as long as possible. But some day he is going to have to let go . . . and then it will be his turn in the barrel, and he knows that.
     
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    I have long considered Jimmy Carter to be a very intelligent and decent human being. It's just that he should never have become a president.
     
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    Bolton huh? Name Carters Security advisor.

    I voted for Carter and he was my final Democrat that I ever supported. I made a major mistake voting for Carter.
     
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    Sadly, I voted for him. Oh I had sound reasons. But his presidency turned out to be a mess.
     
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    I and many astute scholars truly like the Bolton pick. I liked it when Bush picked him and democrats blocked him from holding the job.
     
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    (Shrug) I also voted for him . . . and then I voted for Reagan the next time even though I was still officially a Democrat at the time.
     
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    I too voted for Reagan and did change parties as well. I credit the awesome book, A Time for Truth by William E. Simon for turning me around. But I also had studied a lot more historical books and learned I was making a huge mistake voting for Democrats.
     
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    the investigation seems to have gotten more complicated for the right wing; because, their guys got caught talking to foreign nationals about private business deals, on the Peoples' dime.
     
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    Neither you or I are President of the United States and Leader of the Free World. If he can't stand the heat, he should have stayed out of the kitchen. Criticism comes with the job.

    When you express your own opinion, you're welcome to do so, and it is protected by the Constitution. When you are speaking as the leader of a country of 300Million+, you're own opinion isn't what matters. You're speaking for the people- citizens that come in every race, religion, and country of origin, etc. When you speak as President, you speak for every American, not yourself.

    There is a lawsuit against Trump for violating the Emoluments Clause working its way through the courts, as we type.

    I am VERY much pro-free speech, whether you see it or not.
     
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    There are people on both sides of every issue, including John Bolton. I figured Jimmy Carter wouldn't like the pick, and low and behold, he doesn't.
     
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    Carter is a loyalist Democrat so I never expected him to like Bolton.
     
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    I'll tell you what it means. Jimmy Carter was not a trained lawyer. he understands public policy. He never spent time in a law class, or a courtroom and he sure never was on any side of a counsel table in a criminal trial. He knows very little about what goes on to build a case of this magnitude or complexity. You can't rush it. An investigation like this goes at its own pace and Mueller cannot provide the public with tidbits and pieces like a salad course before the entrée.

    I like Carter, and I understand the frustration of people without an extensive background who thinks 6 months is forever to get a job done. Its nothing when you are dealing with the special counsel statute.
     
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    Then why why did Obama not speak for me?

    Who do you mean speak to? I criticize this media for how they treat Trump then expect him to smile at them and thank them for their hospitality and be cool about it. He is not that kind of person.

    Trump takes it far better than I might take it.
     
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    Jimmy is a liberal with his head up his ass most of time

    But he was always a decent human being
     
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    I find nothing saying the Emoluments case is moving forward. A judge did dismiss the case and they judge shopped and located one in MD, a notorious stronghold for Democrats and the last word I found was dated 2 months ago.
     
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    Neither did I. My point about Bolton goes back to Carter being glad Trump would talk to Kim Jong Un. Carter is all about diplomacy and against military action. Bolton is very pro-military action. He's been called a hawk's hawk. I don't really see the fit between Bolton and Trump. Trump ran on getting us out of Afghanistan, even if he didn't do it.
     
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    Bolton is misunderstood is all. Bolton actually does not want us to start wars. He has been in 3 administrations and thus far started no wars.
     
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    You don't know how investigations work, do you?
     
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    But he has advocated them !
     
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    You mean after Watergate and Iran-Contra and Blue-Dress/Cigar-gate, and gate after gate after gate over the decades? Why no, I know absolutely nothing about anything related to investigations. I'm as ignorant as a mushroom. Gasp! I could be a leftist . . . drone.
     
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