Explosive study claims to prove Chinese scientists created COVID

Yeah? And, So What?

Who cares what GOP Lawmakers want?

Give me a break.

I didn' t see Trump resign when Dem. Lawmakers called for him to step down.

 

Typical of Faux Noise to OMIT the FACTUAL data but the Daily Mail does have exerpts from the study.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html

In essence it appears as though this ALLEGATION hinges entirely on the LIKELIHOOD of a certain SEQUENCE of amino acids.

I don't know how or where the invocation of the Laws of Physics applies to this allegation but they ACKNOWLEDGED that it CAN and DOES occur "three times in a row" in "naturally occurring organisms".

If it can occur 3 times WITHOUT violating the Laws of Physics then why CANNOT it occur FOUR times?

Note that they use the term "extremely unlikely" thereby NOT ruling out that this COULD have occurred naturally.

Based upon this CURSORY examination of what little we have of the full study and the EQUIVOCATION around the "findings" this is NOT CONCLUSIVE evidence that the virus was bio-engineered.

There is still more than enough room for REASONABLE DOUBT and the mere fact that the conspiracy believers are jumping on this as the "smoking gun" indicates to me that we need PEER REVIEW before it is possible to make any ACCUSATIONS of "wrong doing".

This does NOT rule out that there MIGHT have been bio-engineering but Science discovering things for the FIRST TIME is nothing unique since it has become a regular occurance and this virus has received ABNORMAL levels of scrutiny. What will we find if we look at other viruses such as the Common Cold? That is probably even MORE infectious so could it have FOUR amino acids in a row? In which case WHO "bio-engineered" the common cold?

More questions than answers so DEFINITELY the REASONABLE approach is to WAIT for MORE studies and evidence BEFORE coming to any conclusions IMO.

 

It's amazing how incurious our "Free Press" was to these facts, but a sect of cult like sheepal still believe and follow the MSM and the Big Tech propaganda.

 

It looks like the paper in question isn't really published yet. So, we have to take the biased conclusion of RW journalists for granted. So, let's just look at the PRRRAR sequence in question. I did a simple FASTA search, and found many proteins where this sequence is naturally occurring:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/Tools/service...0531-113002-0623-90703817-p2m&analysis=output

The claim that three R in a row is unlikely because of electrostatic repulsion does not hold water. This claim would be correct in the protein interior, in which the dielectric constant is low. However, in the high ionic strength salt water solution on the exterior (surface) of the protein, the charges are shielded by counter ions, so repulsion energy is dramatically reduced. Going back to physics, one can check where the dielectric constant is located in Coulomb's law (the denominator). This is really basic intro chem stuff.

Now, there are other indicators that point to human manipulation more strongly than this one, see my post above, i.e. restriction enzyme recognition sequences.

Note in edit, there was a discussion about the same topic in Sept. 2020. This is what I had to say about it:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...de-in-wuhan-lab.578407/page-2#post-1072055135

 

No, no, no....that wasn’t “a hope” being expressed. He stated 40 times that “it was going away” and that people shouldn’t be concerned.

That’s ignorance.

 

You are aware that they own a vaccine company for Covid that is very little used because it came out so late?

 

So, instead of typical partisan B$ing against the "sheepal", maybe you can actually look at the scientific evidence and see if you can actually comprehend it:

https://merogenomics.ca/blog/en/117...eories-do-they-hold-up-against-science-Part-2

 

Even more amazing that the MSM declared a year ago that it was IMPOSSIBLE for the virus to originated in the lab. Now that the election is safely over, it appears that they are dribbling out some of the data that RWers were aware of a year ago. We do not have a MSM, we have propaganda factory owned in part by China. I have never been so disappointed in our institutions than in the last year. They don't even bother to hide the corruption anymore. I think this a flex by the establishment similar to the "fortify the election" article in Time. It is telling the American people that they can lie with absolute impunity. They are beyond our petty laws. The only rules they follow are the ones the billionaires give them.

 

Thank you, QN. While some of this is way above my own pay grade I respect those that have the qualifications and credentials to take this to appropriate level. That there are similar naturally occuring sequences elsewhere makes the "finding" in the paper open for further scrutiny.

To be fair to the authors of this study that may NOT be their own area of expertize either but surely they would have queried such a "finding" for credibility prior to including it? Or is this a case of the paper being published in the media BEFORE it has been properly vetted and that this would NOT be included in the FINAL paper?

Way too much media SPECULATION is FUELING the Qanon conspiracy believers unfortunately.

 

How is that somewhere like South Korea was smart enough to start in January doing what Trump did in late March and April?

 

Restriction enzyme sites flanking the spike protein sequence is definitely concerning, although those sites also occur naturally. That's why anyone doing subcloning of a gene creates a restriction enzyme map first, to see whether the cutting sites chosen are not present in the gene sequence already.

To me, it is at this point the sum of the circumstantial evidence (restriction enzyme sites, furin cleavage site, viral pneumonia cases near Wuhan in 2012, viral pneumonia cases in the Wuhan lab in November 2019) indicating a "leak" of Sars-Cov-2 from the Wuhan lab. Now, this may not have been gain of function research, but maybe research into a naturally occurring variant that was first detected in the mine incident in 2012. I am sure the research community will dig into this, and if, in fact, the virus was leaked from the Wuhan lab, it WILL be corroborated by multiple labs.

In any case, gain of function research on pathogens should be outlawed internationally, if anything good would come from this crisis.

 

What cover up.

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15 March 2020
New restrictions in France, Spain and Israel
Spain announced a nationwide lockdown Saturday, asking people to remain in their homes except for essential tasks (buying food, medical appointments). France’s government required the closure of cafés, restaurants and non-essential stores. Israel will soon shut restaurants and non-essential businesses. (Banks and gas stations will remain open). Read more here.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/todays-covid-19-updates/

While trump was telling us all in USA it will disappear magically in April.
Countries in Europe were shutting down in March.

trump ignored the pandemic for 2+ months.
That has been proven to you.

 

Thank you for the breakdown. This is way outside of my knowledge pool.

 

An evil clown who is with his 7th president and hired under the Reagan admin.
LOL.
Give it up. RW fakes news doesn't cut it anymore.

The real clown was voted out of office as an incumbent who was impeached 2X.
Cost the republicans the WH, Senate, and House in 4 yrs.

 

There is a large pile of facts and evidence showing this was done with US tax dollars and the cooperation of US government players.

Trying to blame it all on the Chinese seems very much like propaganda to me.

Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum are every bit as guilty as China is.

 

I don’t think people are panicking. I said last night — we did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said, ‘Calm. You have to be calm.’ It’ll go away.

President Trump
March 6, 2020

We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.

President Trump
March 10, 2020

You know, we need a little a separation until such time as this goes away. It’s going to go away. It’s going to go away.

President Trump
March 12, 2020

You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.

President Trump
February 10, 2020
China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control. So I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.

President Trump
February 25, 2020
…when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.

President Trump
February 26, 2020
It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear. And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows.

President Trump
February 27, 2020
I don’t think people are panicking. I said last night — we did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said, ‘Calm. You have to be calm.’ It’ll go away.

President Trump
March 6, 2020
We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.

President Trump
March 10, 2020
You know, we need a little a separation until such time as this goes away. It’s going to go away. It’s going to go away.

President Trump
March 12, 2020
Stay calm. It will go away. You know it — you know it is going away, and it will go away. And we’re going to have a great victory.

President Trump
March 30, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/

For 2+ months trump says it will go away.
Meanwhile, while he's telling us it will go away. Some of Europe has been locking down.
And trump does an interview with Woodward, telling his this could be very bad.

 

Going to need to be able to get access to the lab to determine if the virus leaked in the lab. But not sure it’s relevant anyhow.

 

I am not a virologist and geneticist either, but I do know a bit about molecular biology. I actually use subcloning and site directed mutagenesis techniques in my own lab. We also synthesize mRNA, I was joking with my students last year that we could make our own mRNA vaccine (it's actually not that simple).

When it comes to figuring out likelihoods of certain short RNA sequences being of natural origin or human made, this is a whole different ballgame, and requires in-depth statistical analysis, especially since those "suspicious" sequences are only 5-6 base pairs long. Any of those will occur naturally in many genes. This statistical analysis I can't do myself (well, I could, but it would be a second job), so the final verdict has to await the experts and confirmation by several reputable labs. So far, the evidence for human manipulation of Sars-Cov-2 is concerning, but not conclusive, so I support further investigation.

 

Lead an effort for the entire world to punish China and make them pay for their crimes to humanity and the world economy. This was no accident. If they created the virus that was a decision it might have been an accident that it got out but it would NOT be an accident allowing it to spread around the world. They have 100% control over their borders and who can fly or not fly. If they wanted to quarantine a city they can do it instantly. If they want to quarantine all air travel in their country they can do it in an instant. But that act would have instantly made them liable. So instead they didn’t go to those measures and now they’re personally responsible for every single death.

 

Should Americans, who don't want to protect themselves or others, and willfully reject vaccination, be held personally responsible for covid deaths they cause?

Mind you, I am not against holding China accountable, but the super spreader of the world was the US.

 

Who lies a lot.

"WE’LL SEE MORE OF THESE": Second Thoughts About Voting for Joe Biden.

"An Uber-driving friend writes": “Has the Great Beclowning begun? I have people in my car every day of all backgrounds and races who see it for what it is. The foolish yet incredibly complexly structured reaction to the Wuhan flu, plus Fauci hagiography, on the verge of being shattered. What else might it apply to (aside from everything)?”

"A Great Wake Up would be nice."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/452885/

 

LOL. He lies so much he was and is part of his 7th presidential administration.

Sorry if I don't buy what you're selling. It makes ZERO sense.
Just RW fake news.

 

Sadly, you have hit the mark across the boards. Everyone on the Right that decides to stay informed knew the information about the Wuhan Lab. We knew 3 of their staff came down sick in October of 2019 with what appears to be the first cases. We know the Chinese refused to share their blood test results. We know that China shut down air travel from Wuhan to the rest of China, BUT... BUT... they allowed international travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world. We should end all relations with China right now until they become transparent and clean. We can still ramp up our manufacturing base elsewhere or at home and crush them economically, but the Crony Capitalists like Apple, Google, the NBA, and Disney are 100% in bed with the Chinese putting $ far far far above humanity... and the Leftists blindly cheer it all on.

You are also right that our Establishment (Government, Business, Big Tech, Media) is outright putting it in our faces that we are no longer free and under their thumb... and again... the Leftists blindly cheer it all on.

 

Actually, lying and government service are not the mutually exclusive propositions you imagine. Joe Biden lies constantly and he has been in politics at the national level for one fifth of our nation's entire existence.

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I see, deflection duly noted.