Fad Or The Future? Robot-Made Burgers Wow The Crowds In San Francisco

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  1. Collateral Damage

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    For every 'job' that automation may eliminate, there will be other fields opening up. I know your heart is set on paying people to not work, but that really isn't the answer.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can't, but if **** gets tight, believe me war will do it. One could also argue a social consciousness demands a one child policy that we agree to as we are an enlightened society, and kids put a damper on all our vacationing. Let's for sake of argument assume nature handles it like always, some cataclysm.

    Why do you need money? Robots provide your every desire.
     
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    Imagine the lawsuits..... :wink:
     
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    Until machines are advanced enough to be able to do every job that a person could do.
     
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    Because there’s still a limit to supply and there needs to be a way to ration demand. A price system is the only efficient way to do that.
     
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    I'm surprised the San Fagciscans didn't riot because meat was used.
     
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    And someone will still need to program them, design them, grow the crops and raise the cows so they have burgers to flip

    There will be a need to find new and greater uses for automation.
     
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    Do you think that automation may eliminate the need for lawyers? Hey, I may have to change my position if you say yes..... :roflol:
     
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    Programming done by AI, designing done by other AI, food grown by machines that were designed, programmed, and manufactured by machines.

    You’d have the majority of the population both unemployed and unable to ever be employed. The anarcho-capitalist solution is for them to just die. The human solution is UBI.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What demand will outweigh supply in a world with half as many people and 10x production?
     
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    Just out of curiosity, exactly where would this UBI come from?

    Do YOU qualify?
    https://www.zmescience.com/other/fe...terious-instructions-for-the-post-apocalypse/
     
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    It's likely something the younger generation will use and the older generation resist by going elsewhere.

    Personally, I don't use fast food outlets as in McDonalds, Burger King etc.. If I buy a carry out, it's usually an Indian or Chinese where people actually make the dishes.
     
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    Mark this on your calendar, you ad I actually agree, ;)
     
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    How exactly are we going to have this population reduction down to half the population?

    And again, there is always going to be a limit on the supply of time and space.
     
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    Do you agree with me a lot because I'm never wrong ;)
     
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    Ah, the ubiquitous taxes on the rich. But if nobody is working, then who decides who the rich are, how are they 'rich', and do you really think they will tax themselves?

    There is a flaw or two in your statement.
     
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    Are you arguing that only rich industrialists are the government?

    There will still be measures of wealth even if most people are not working.
     
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    Yeah it does. Europe has had kiosks for several years now in AMERICAN chains like McDonald's and so forth. The reason they did that is precisely because of higher pay that European fast food workers get. They have had the technology forever now for that stuff but its only appearing in this country because of recent pay increases either mandated by local governments or the market itself.

    Then there is also the fact that Jack in the Box said the reason they were now looking at kiosks was precisely because of minimum wage increases.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-in-the-box-ceo-reconsiders-automation-kiosks-2018-1
     
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    Who says robots will serve all our needs?
    Some assume that just because machines replace all or most of the jobs,
    that that somehow means that the people who get replaced will still have access to the profits goods or services that the machines then produce.
    While that would certainly be ideal, there isn't really any reason to believe that that'll necessarily be the case. (unless of course we as a country choose to make it so)

    Under our current system at least, its more likely that the automation will simply provide for the needs of those who own them.
    Best case scenario for displaced workers, is that prices for certain things may drop. Though of course, that isn't much consolation
    if your salary drops by even more due to your replacement job not paying as well as the one you lost...
    or worse,... if you aren't able to find a replacement job at all due to everything being automated...

    -Meta
     
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    You are the one who made the statement, not I. Or did you leave out a comma? That would change your statement, and my response.

    Exactly what 'measure of wealth' is there once you go to UBI? If everybody but the 'rich' receive the same UBI, then there is no purpose to the UBI. Society could be managed with debits and credits in a 'electronic bank', which would be run by automation. Food (if we still need it), Healthcare and medication could be based on the debits and credits too, and if you pissed someone in that "Rich" group off, they could cut off your medical needs.....

    OMG, you are the one who wrote the story line of Logan's Run! ;)

    Seriously, UBI, in my opinion, is not the way to support any society. It removes any initiative to better one's self, and or the innate altruism that exists in humans. Bottom line, eradication of humanity as we know it.
     
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    And instead the unemployed majority of the population should just starve, yes?
     
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    Virus probably.
    Necessities like food etc with a limited population is completely manageable. Desires are first come first serve. Most of this is renewable etc. The world runs pretty well with twice the demand. Why do you refuse to answer this hypothetical question?

    If robots do all the work and we are working efficiently with renewable and recyclables, why do you need money?

    Would society sink or thrive with all this free time? If you weren't a willing participant in debt slavery, would you invent things, create things, or just chill?
     
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    Poor trade policies are only a partial cause, and you are ignoring the effect of automation. According to studies even the manufacturing jobs we lost which are usually chalked up to outsourcing are mostly lost to automation not outsourcing. 85% were lost to automation. You Republicans are so focused on outsourcing and illegals, you don't see the real enemy in your houses, in factories taking jobs away from workers, and the machines being researched right now to take your job away. Its coming. The end is near!
    https://www.ft.com/content/dec677c0-b7e6-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62
     
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    Communism doesn't work today when we need human labor but its the only possible system where the machine do all the work.
     

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