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FBI Drone Captures Moment Of LaVoy Finicum’s Death

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  1. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    I have to agree that it appears he was reaching for something after he initially raised his hands. I guess sideswiping an agent didn't help his cause much either.
     
    snakestretcher, Jan 29, 2016
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  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "preplanned ambush'? it was a road block, they could of just stopped and turned themselves in

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    FreshAir, Jan 29, 2016
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  3. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lead the cops on a high speed chase, hit an FBI officer with your truck then reach for a loaded pistol in your pocket. That will get you shot, even if you're white.
     
    Doug_yvr, Jan 29, 2016
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  4. fourcorners

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    Like his friends did. He was the only one that got shot.
     
    fourcorners, Jan 29, 2016
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  5. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    And maybe he was saying that because he was planning on being the sacrificial lame for the cause.

    What I mean by that is he did say he would rather die than go to prison, but when the time came he made sure he was NOT armed and pretended to be fumbling for something so that the end result would be that FBI agents shot and killed an unarmed person.

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    What gun?

    I didn't see any gun.

    We don't know if he was armed at the time.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 29, 2016
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  6. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Where's the gun?

    I didn't see a gun.

    What if he was unarmed when shot?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 29, 2016
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  7. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    On a curve!!!!!

    How in the hell are you going to stop in time when coming around a curve????

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    The FBI set up a road block on a fricking curve.

    How is anybody going to stop in time coming around a curve????

    And what loaded gun???

    I didn't see a gun.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 29, 2016
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  8. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    The agent jumped in front of the car. Look carefully at the video. The witnesses in the vehicle said LaVoy Finicum was shot with his hands up and then he reached down. Then he was shot three more times. I imagine that if one is shot in the stomach that there is a natural or even innate response to reach down and look at or hold the wound. There is no audio on the tape so we have no way of knowing if that was true or not.

    Were the orange flashes flash-bang grenades? If so, there was absolutely no justification shooting into the vehicle after Mr. Finicum was killed. Even if they weren't flash bang grenades, I still cannot see any reason to shoot into the vehicle.
     
    Lee S, Jan 29, 2016
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    This is a man who said he would not be taken alive. He was armed, as were all of the other terrorists. Despite repeated warnings from police, when he dropped his hands and reached for a gun, he was shot. If you want to consider him a martyr, be my guest. I saw nothing more than a criminal engaging in (or attempting) a shootout with police.
     
    Grizz, Jan 29, 2016
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  10. Teilhard

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    The video does not show the vehicle being riddled with gunfire ...

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    But, see … The "militia" thugs feel that they don't have to obey the laws ...
     
    Teilhard, Jan 29, 2016
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  11. FreshAir

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    they should of thought of that before they decided to go on their high speed getaway

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    FreshAir, Jan 29, 2016
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  12. Teilhard

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    The "militia" thugs' philosophy of life is, "Get out of my way … !!!"
    Seriously …

    They don't have to abide by laws and regulations on use of land and water, don't have to pay rent, etc. ...
     
    Teilhard, Jan 29, 2016
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  13. rahl

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    at the 6:00 mark you can clearly see him reaching inside his jacket for something. shooting is justified.

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    no, you can clearly see him reaching into his jacket twice before he is shot.
     
    rahl, Jan 29, 2016
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  14. Doug_yvr

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    He should have stayed stopped miles back.

    He had a 9mm in his pocket.

    No one cares much what you saw.
     
    Doug_yvr, Jan 29, 2016
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  15. MolonLabe2009

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    There is no evidence that he was armed at the time of being shot.

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    The FBI planned it that way so that he wouldn't have time enough to stop and therefore give the FBI a reason to blast the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of him.

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    Where's the gun?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 29, 2016
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  16. Think for myself

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    No?

    By all reports he was armed.

    I would say your statement is counter to reality.
     
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    Another one bites the dust. This guy got exactly what he wanted.
    There are no tears in my eyes right now.
     
    Electron, Jan 29, 2016
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  18. rahl

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    irrelevant. He was ordered to surrender. He did not, and reached into his waist for something. He was PREVIOUSLY armed and the officers had a reasonable suspicion that he still was or could be.

    Shooting justified.
     
    rahl, Jan 29, 2016
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  19. The Mello Guy

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    Agree. Although I still wish we could come up with a non-lethal way to stop armed nuts that don't put the police in danger. If I win the lotto I'll donate a couple million to coming up with something.
     
    The Mello Guy, Jan 29, 2016
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  20. EMTdaniel86

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    Does any of that matter? No it doesn't. He had LEO pointing firearms at him. What do you do in the case? Common sense tells you to get on the ground with your hands behind your back. It doesn't tell you to reach for you're wallet or in your waistband so and so on.

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    What if it was? In the end it doesn't matter because he looks like he reached in to his waistband..... If you're held at gunpoint and you do that, what do you think is going to happen?
     
    EMTdaniel86, Jan 29, 2016
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  21. EMTdaniel86

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    Here is the thing with non-lethal, they are not always 100% effective.Tazers can miss, fail to work, or not penetrate far enough to make contact. If any of that happens, you're tazer is useless. IT is why most agencies have a SOP that non-lethal is backed up by lethal.
     
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    He was armed with a loaded 9mm in his pocket … He was reaching for it when he was shot …
    The only thing that would make the "militia" thugs and their sycophants happy would be a full scale shoot-out at the Bundy corral, with lots of Feds killed and
    wounded ...
     
    Teilhard, Jan 29, 2016
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    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0129-white-oregon-militia-charges-20160129-story.html

    Social Media is forever.
     
    Zorro, Jan 29, 2016
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    And I'm sure if he was black you would say that the officer was justified because he reached for something.

    He reached for something, and how was the officer supposed to know what he was reaching for. And also understand that this very person was part of an ARMED standoff for the last 30 days.

    What I saw in that video makes defense of the man killed untenable.
     
    grapeape, Jan 29, 2016
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    as with every shooting, conduct an open investigation, then go from there. not much else in choices here. i prefer no one gets shot.
     
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