Fear of 'disastrous situation' in farm economy as China targets huge US soybean business

No they don't.

https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110601/full/474007a.html

Not sure where you are getting this. Unless you are talking about this issue, one of gluttony.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...a-growing-appetite-food-industry-agriculture/

But as I said, the US can't eat the way it does without imports, so...

 

China is not food independent and can never be. It lack the water resources necessary. What China is really importing is water, "virtual water."

 

Honestly, China would be doing it self a favor if it stayed away from the poison we serve our selves.

 

Are you delusional enough to think the chinese will starve without our soybeans?

 

Again, these tariffs are target at US, not every other country. There is definitely enough worldwide production of various ag products to replace the United States easily.

 

I think money can warrant the risk for many. That's my guess. I don't know for sure.

 

Yes, yes he is.

 

Again, that's not true. They very much can be food independent, just not efficiently. It's more economically efficient to import. That lets them utilize that water for other more valuable uses, like manufacturing or power production, etc.

That said, the current situation, which is worth noting, is that they are only targeting our imports with these tariffs. So they are still importing from other countries to maintain that economic efficiency.

But let's say what you are saying is 100% accurate, who says the Chinese government can utilize other means to make ends meet? Methods that this country wouldn't do, but they can.

 

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https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime...roblems-are-even-worse-than-you-think-report/

China’s Water Problems Are Even Worse Than You Think: Report



Jan 13, 2015 5:01 am HKT

Let China sleep, for when she wakes she will shake the world, Napoleon once supposedly said. He might also have warned: Let China sleep, for when she wakes she will be really, really thirsty.

A new report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal says China’s water shortage crisis is likely to deepen as the country continues to develop. Government efforts to try and redistribute water from relatively water-wealthy regions to more parched provinces are also likely to further exacerbate the problem, the authors say.

In an interview, co-author Dabo Guan criticized the so-called South-North Water Transfer Project — a $81 billion effort to re-route water from the south to the drier north – in particular. While the government has touted its elaborate solution to the Chinese capital’s rapidly falling water table, Mr. Guan said that by 2020 the additional water infusions brought by the project — which recently began delivering water to Beijing — would likely satisfy only 5% of the city’s overall demand.

“A metaphor is, if you have a cold, if you have a temperature, antibiotics is the cure, it’s the solution.” By contrast, the transfer project is “like paracetamol,” a pain reliever, said Mr. Guan, professor at the University of East Anglia.

According to the United Nations, though China is home to 21% of the world’s population, it contains only 7% of the world’s freshwater supplies. Particularly in its north, the country is deeply parched – so much so that the government last week said it would begin encouraging people to eat potatoes, rather than more water-intensive traditional staples such as rice and wheat, to try and conserve water.

Prior to the arrival of infusions from the south, Beijing’s per-capita water volume was just 100 cubic meters, 1.25% of the world’s average level. With the water from the south, that figure will go up to 150 cubic meters per person, according to state media reports.

The UN says a region is considered “water-stressed” when annual water supplies dip below 1,700 cubic meters per person.

In addition to the physical rerouting of China’s water flows, the report’s authors say that numerous water-strapped provinces end up inadvertently exporting their own water by producing water-intensive goods like coal and livestock that get shipped off to other, wealthier regions. As a consequence of these so-called “virtual” water exports, Mr. Guan says, water-poor provinces find their supplies even more strained.

 

China started the trade war - they've been at it for 50 years. We just woke up in 2018.

 

"China’s industrialization has also resulted in significant environmental damage, which greatly limits domestic production capacity. Industrial pollution has tainted as many as 13 million tons of crops with heavy metals. It is estimated that almost one-sixth of China’s land has been affected by soil contamination due to toxic runoff. Water scarcity is also a concern, as the government reported in 2014 that nearly 60 percent of China’s underground water is polluted and unfit for drinking without treatment. In 2013, widespread contamination of soil, especially in southern areas like Henan province, prompted the government to prohibit the farming of 8 million acres of contaminated agricultural land until it can be rehabilitated."

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/

 

Hmm, interesting.
Yes, I guess they were desperate.

 

I watched interviews with owners from the pork industry and just the aluminum and steel tarrifs we're having a major impact and it's not even directly related to their industry.

Do you buy a lot of pig heads and intestines? Well China does and it adds a ton of value to the pork because it's not going to waste

 

Chinese are no longer content to live on rice.


"China’s exploding demand for meat can be attributed to the changing nature of Chinese demographics. China’s ongoing economic development has sparked the largest urban migration in the history of the world, with an estimated 83 million – or 60 percent of China’s total population – expected to permanently reside in cities by 2020. By comparison, the World Bank estimates that India’s urban population will increase by 44 million in the coming years, accounting for just 1.7 percent of its total population. The rising income level of China’s growing urban middle class has corresponded with a shift away from a traditionally grain-oriented diet to an increasingly meat-heavy intake. Furthermore, urban residents have developed an appetite for other resource intensive foods, such as dairy products."

"With regard to meat products, China has witnessed an astronomical increase in consumption from a mere 7 million tons in 1975 to 75 million tons last year. China now consumes roughly 50 kilograms (kg) of meatper capita. This, combined with its massive population of 1.4 billion people, has made China the largest consumer of meat in the world. In terms of per capita meat consumption, China still falls behind countries like Australia and the United States (93 and 97 kg per capita, respectively), but well ahead of Japan’s 35.6 kg per capita. While domestic production has increased, meat imports have become an increasingly important component of China’s food security. China’s 3.6 million tons of meat imports in 2016 represents a several thousand percent increase from the mid-1970s.

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/

 

There is no trade war so You are having a cow for nothing.

 

Did they cost too much before 1970?

You know what your version of a "free market" leads to?

It leads to the US being only a consumer and not a producer.

Quit your job and see how much longer you can be a consumer. That is what has happened in the US.

We sacrifice jobs and our ability to produce goods to buy cheap Chinese crap. That is not only not sustainable, it is stupid.

 

The more I think about it, this could be China just weening it self from the poison we must be practically giving away, as who the hell wants all the ills that comes from it.
Its prolly an added bonus they get to stick it to Trumps tarrif plan.

BEIJING, 6 April 2016 - Almost 10% of all adults in China – about 110 million people – currently live with diabetes. Without urgent action to reduce lifestyle risk factors like unhealthy diet and lack of physical activity, that number is expected to increase to 150 million by 2040 – with major health, social and economic consequences.

Rates of Type 2 diabetes in China have exploded in the last couple of decades. In 1980, less than 5% of Chinese men had diabetes. Now, more than 10% do. This increase has been largely driven by unhealthy lifestyles – diets that are too high in sugar and fat, and people not getting enough physical activity,” said Dr Bernhard Schwartländer, WHO Representative in China.

http://www.wpro.who.int/china/mediacentre/releases/2016/20160406/en/

 

lol............that's a myth I've never heard abut before.

 

Yeah that's what it is. China is going to go back to living on rice and bamboo shoots. LOL

 

Yeah, because only China has tariffs! It’s not like we tariff thousands of products!

 

Russia has NEVER been able to feed themselves, this is why they're so big,

I've always heard that America was "the Persian Gulf of food". The problem is that we certainly can't eat it all ourselves and our farmers depend on being able to sell it to the world for income. The last guy to seriously use the "food weapon" was Jimmy Carter and the effect on American agriculture was disastrous.

 

Well first of all I was talking about North Korea, and secondly I don't think people are going to stop eating in the rest of the world.

 

OIC, well, the Koreans eat the chairman's proverbs.

And the rest of the world can only eat so much. The problem with our agriculture is that we produce far more than the world needs. Our farmers are very dependent upon a few big customers for income and if we cut ourselves off from them then our farmers start to go bankrupt

 

My first computer was made in America

And my next computer shoud be also