Feds to sue Texas to try and stop election integrity

Even sillier...Ms. Applewhite was part of a class action suit to fight the law...lol...the lawyer was provided..

 

Hmm, produce an indisputable fact that they don't like and Dujac and Bomac scamper from the thread. LOL

 

Good god, can you show anywhere where I talked about Applewhite? But I will now. It is an example of how very senior people have a hard time understanding what is needed and how to go about getting the proper stuff. Are we really trying to stop 100 year olds from voting, even a WW2 vet?

Despicable language about a 92 year old. Oh, did she still have close relatives?

 

No, we're trying to make sure people don't steal their identity and thus their vote. That is the purpose of Voter ID, it protects the individual as much as the institution of voting.

And also, a WWII vet would certainly have had a picture ID at some point in his life.

 

Here's how I vote in Massachusetts, I go to the polls, go to the table, state my name and address, and they hand me a ballot, I mark it, go to the second table, state my name and address, and put the ballot in the ballot box.
If it's town meeting there is no ballot, they let me into the hall, and when they call the vote " All those in favor, stand and be counted" I stand or sit depending on the issue.
That system has worked fine for 392 years.
That's the way John Adams voted, thats the way Elbridge Gerry voted, thats the way Noam Chomsky voted, that's the way Calvin Coolidge voted.

Here's why it works so well, there is no incentive to commit in person voter fraud, so it rarely happens.
When you commit in person voter fraud, you risk a felony conviction and a prison term, and you net one extra vote for your cause, which probably doesn't change anything, and there just aren't that many people willing to risk prison to probably not change anything.
If you organize in person voter fraud on a massive scale, you might swing an election, but you'd need a whole lot of people involved, and you'd have to know that not a single one of them would ever talk or mention this huge conspiracy, and frankly that's impossible.

 

LOL @ "that's the way it's always been done" so NOW you don't want to change things to meet the times?

I USED to go to high school with guns in my vehicle, as did most of the guys at my school. There was no need to worry b/c no one ever used a gun to shoot anyone. I mean what was the incentive, if you got caught you were going to be charged with felony.

But today even carrying a plastic gun to school can result in expulsion.

Why?

Oh, used to not have to provide ID to buy a gun either, or too fly......... lol

you dolts have NO case here.

 

what part of "she got a lawyer" don't you understand?

that's pure ignorance, she was following what the dmv instructed her to do

passing the buck is one the oldest bureaucratic games in the book, they turn a certain amount of people away

the constitution gives people the right to vote, that right doesn't disappear just because they don't have a photo id

you guys sound like were born yesterday or something

the lawsuit is what got her an id, for years before, nothing

then, in response to the lawsuit, she was given the id


these sort of games are what the constitution forbids

no poll taxes, no literacy tests, no barriers, no denials and no abridgment

oh look, more looney fairy tales, what a surprise

 

That's because kids brought guns to school, and murdered other kids and teachers.
Criminals bought guns.
Terrorists boarded airplanes and hijacked them.

Nobody is committing in person voting fraud.

 

More fairy tales....The article specifically states that the clertk who issued the ID had no idea of the lawsuit and it was not a factor in her receiving the ID, Ms. Applewhite finally produced enough documentation to substantiate who she was and her residency. Your post is a bold face lie.

 

what a joke

years of attempts and she got no id

then, right after the lawsuit starts, she gets an id

and you think that's just a coincidence? get a grip on reality

you're the liar and not a very good one, either

 

What a joke...the fact that you are continuing to insinuate something even though it has been proven otherwise. Talk about a needing to get a grip.

 

you're just showing that you have no clue what constitutes proof, among other mistakes

 

She has an ID, she can vote. End of story. You have no clue what proof is because you keep running this ladies story in every thread that deals with voter ID. The fact that she has obtained ID, which the law suit had nothing to do with the lawsuit....

PennDOT said they gave Viviette Applewhite, 93, a non-driver photo ID even though she did not have the required Social Security card, because she fell within one of the agency’s unwritten exceptions.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/tag/viviette-applewhite/


Thank you for playing, you are refuted yet again.

 

what a lie, the lawsuit was germane to the case and there are lots of others like her

the state issued the id because it's bound by law to mitigate damages

your delusions are amusing

 

you do of course realize that if we don't check IDs it is impossible to state for certainty whether anyone is committing in person voter fraud don't you? Notice that I have never once claimed that it is for sure happening. Only dishonest people like yourself claim to know whether something is happening or not sans ANY evidence either way.


In fact I suspect that the number of people who are unable to obtain ID is equally as low as the number of people who are voting fraudulently. So why do you object to being required to show ID again?

 

Why are you even bothering? Seriously, he has no interest in honesty at all.

 

what a lie

 

My delusions??? Keep in mind, I am not the one using a Pennsylvania example to argue against Texas law......

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My delusions??? Keep in mind, I am not the one using a Pennsylvania example to argue against Texas law......

 

Honestly, I'd stop supporting Voter ID if Dujac was barred from voting for life. Fair trade me thinks.

 

BS on the reason for these bills. Give me one bill that only does that. And, yes, a WW2 vet was turned away at the polls. They did not have photos for the military back then. They didn't have photos when I was in the Army. Photos with Driver License started maybe in the 1970s.

"In many states, driver's licenses did not even have a photograph well into the 1980s. Activism by the Mothers Against Drunk Driving organization for the use of photo ID age verification in conjunction with increasing the drinking age to 21 in order to reduce underage drinking led to photographs being added to all state licenses. New York and Tennessee were the last states to add photos in 1986 ... All Tennessee drivers aged 60 years of age or older have the option of a non-photo drivers license.[105] Thirteen states allow the option of a non-photo drivers license for reasons of religious belief: Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Washington, and Wisconsin"

Hmmm, and now some of these states are requiring photo IDs to get a Voter Photo ID.

 

i see that you're having trouble following the conversation

someone mentioned african americans being too stupid and lazy to get an id

i presented a case which demonstrates that isn't what's going on

 

No link to that?

And oh, The Real ID act would make any ID without a picture invalid. Meaning every state would HAVE to include pictures on ALL their IDs.

Not to mention that is patently stupid not to require pictures on IDs

actually I found your link, but you really should provide a link when you quote.

 

Why would I need one? You only give your opinions because facts would interfere with your opinions.

Oh, it has been implemented in 17 states although it passed in 2005 and Texas is one of the states that has not implemented it. So knowing that something passed in 2005 and still have many states still not implementing it show tell you why older people and the poor might still have problems. I hope that you were not using that as a Voter ID bill. None of the red states have passed a bill without other restrictions.

Even the Real ID Act would require some documents that the elderly may not have, the poor can't afford and the disAbled might have problems getting them.

What, you couldn't take the effort to check it out yourself? And you blame old people and the poor for the same thing.

 

You just can't help being a dishonest hack can you?

When you post something as FACT on a message board it is customary to post a link to said facts, mostly because 90% of what is posted as a fact on a message board turns out to be no such thing.

Has nothing to do with laziness on the reader's part and everything to do with the writer actually wanting to prove his facts are correct.

As for the Real ID Act making it difficult for some people, I say bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The system itself pretty much bends over backwards to accommodate people. Some are just too lazy and or stupid to make ANY effort.

Why don't you try some honest debate for ONCE in your life.

You may even find that you enjoy it.

 

I have a tremendous amount of evidence that suggests no in person voting fraud is happening, hundreds of millions of votes cast without a single case of in person voter fraud being shown to have happened.

Look, to vote you need to be registered, if someone shows up to vote, and someone has already voted using that name, there is a report, there were a number of instances of this reported, they were all investigated, in every case it was the poll worker mistakenly marking the wrong name, in no cases was it shown to be in person voting fraud.

Sometimes people who died before election day are shown by the records to have cast votes, in every case, these have been absentee ballots, mailed before a person's death.
In my area, poll workers are from the neighborhood, they sometimes have the book open to the page I'm on because they see me coming, a person voting for someone else runs a huge risk of being noticed, and there is a police officer at the polling station, anyone who was caught doing that would find themselves in custody, in short order, who would risk that for one vote?

If you leave something valuable out in the open at night, it can get stolen, but you can leave something of little value outside in the open, unguarded for centuries and no one will take it. One vote is not worth risking a felony conviction over, so one vote almost never gets stolen.
And it's never effected the outcome of an election.

But, putting a requirement that requires 11% of the qualified Hispanic voters in Texas to obtain picture ID, and to obtain the documents required to get picture ID is definitely going to cause some people who would have voted, to not vote, maybe hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe enough to change an outcome. And that is the reason for the bill, to suppress the Hispanic vote.

I'm hoping it backfires, I'm hoping it unites the Hispanic community in a big get out the vote drive. Texas is the only majority minority state to vote for Romney, if it gets moved over to the blue column, then all the Democrats need is the states that voted Democratic in all of the last 6 presidential elections, and they win the White House. All that it would take is to get Hispanics in Texas to vote at the rate Hispanics in Florida vote at, and every statewide election would go to the party of the people.