GOP senators prepared to acknowledge quid pro quo, plan to argue it was legal

Then why did Trump ask that he be investigated ?

 

No it is not Zorro. There is also the evidence being gathered by the House Committees.

Just a metaphor.

Yes, and that was 24 Hours after Congress announced the first Whistle Blower. Sheere coincidence? Nah, the schit was hitting the fan.

 

You tell me

 

So what? You want to impeach Trump over 24 hours?

Apparently no one in the impeachment circus is.

"Obstruction" of what Justice?

Getting to the bottom of Ukraine interference in the 2016 election IS in the National Interest of the United States. Finding out if Democrats in the Obama Administration orchestrated it, is most certainly in the National Interest, though Democrats seem to willing to do anything to stop this investigation, which is certainly interesting. You know what they say, when the flack is the thickest, you are RIGHT OVER TARGET.

Joe Biden's ability to fire the top prosecutor of a foreign nation, by threatening to withhold $Billion in aid, certainly supports the concept that the Obama Administration had the ability to direct the Ukrainian interference with our election. Of course it would be in the National Interest to gain Ukraine's assistance, under our mutual assistance treaty, but Trump didn't do that. He released the aid that Obama withheld with no actions exacted from Ukraine at all.

There is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo, so long as it not for a corrupt purpose, and there was no Quid and there was no Quo.

 

You tell me

 

And yet you can't dispute anything in my post

Why waste everyone's time with posts like that?

 

For the political gain, no other reason. It's not patently obvious to you?

 

Well I realize that but, the question was what was Ukraine asked to investigate ?

 

If biden was accused of a specific crime what was it? And who was the accuser?

 

I have not followed "Ukrainegate". Russiagate - which I followed closely- was such preposterous nonsense that I can't be bothered to take this one seriously.

Obviously - Trump asked Ukraine to investigate something - my question was/is what this something was.

 

You obviously didn't follow the Mueller Investigation, and you plainly haven't read the Mueller Report.

It outlines over 140 contacts between the Bonespurs campaign and the Russians. It concludes that Bonespurs greatly wanted Russian help, and that the Russians wanted to help him, and did so.

It concludes that a "more robust FBI investigation" would likely have uncovered a conspiracy.

The only thing "presposterous" here is attempting to paint our orange moron as a "victim" here. He is a scumbag and a traitor to this country.

 

You obviously have not looked into Mueller's crooked past - and have blind partisan spectacles on - don't care much for the rule of Law -and the rules of Justice - and the founding principles in general.

I was against the Clinton Witch hunt - and am against the Trump Witch hunt for the same reasons. What did the # of inches of cigar inserted into Monica's oval orifice have to do with "white water" ? What did some tax fraud over a decade ago have to do with "Russian Collusion"

Russiagate is now being used as an excuse to go after freedom of speech, information, and freedom of the press.

The idea that Russian meddling in our electoral process - was anything more than a raindrop in the midst of a hurricane of meddling by foreign actors in our electoral process - if fodder for those who are ignorant of how our "Pay to Play" system operates.

OH .. and PS - I hate Trump - and have posted numerous times on that topic - the difference being - I have legitimate reasons.

 

In a word, NOTHING!

The BLOTUS just wanted a Ukrainian investigation into the Bidens because it IMPLIES that there was no wrongdoing.

It is called playing dirty politics and if that investigation had occurred it would have been something of value from a foreign government for the BLOTUS's 2020 election campaign.

 

There must have been something that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate. I haven't followed this saga so I was hoping someone would know.

 

Back in 2014 Ukraine had a Prosecutor General by the name of Shokin who was appointed to eliminate corruption. Instead he turned out to be even more corrupt than the corruption that he was supposed to investigate. The IMF, the EU and the US wanted Shokin to be replaced because they knew that any funds that they were sending to Ukraine to fight the Russians were being funneled off via corruption.

There was a $1 billion Loan Guarantee that the US had to provide to the IMF in order for Ukraine to obtain the loan. VP Biden told the Ukrainian government that they would not get that Loan Guarantee unless Shokin was fired. The Ukraine government fired Shokin.

At around this time the largest gas corporation in Ukraine going by the name Burisma hired Hunter Biden to be on their board of directors. Yes, this was a means of "buying access" to the Obama administration and while it is shady it is not illegal. Hunter Biden complied with both US and Ukrainian laws in his dealings with Burisma. He resigned when his father chose to run for office again. Burisma was investigated for corruption and paid some fines but none of that had anything to do with Hunter Biden since it all occurred prior to his joining the board.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny

The BLOTUS was DEMANDING that a Ukrainian investigation be opened up without any evidence of any wrongdoing by either of the Bidens.

There is another aspect to Ukrainian corruption that is NOT getting much in the way of attention. This is probably the most comprehensive source of all when it comes to Ukrainian corruption.

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

In that link you will discover that Giuliani is up to his necks in that corruption to the point where the two crooked Ukrainians who were just arrested by the FBI were the same ones who personally introduced Giuliani to Shokin. Right now there is an FBI investigation and Giuliani has just been ratted out by one of the Ukrainians which is why he has lawyered up.

 

If the Repub dummies are stupid enough to support that idea it will come back to bite them in the butt big time when a Dem uses it against a Repub.

 

Nice summary - much appreciated.

 

Biden got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired by threatening to with hold money. Biden's son was being investigated. These are the facts no matter how many fake news stories folks post.

 

There is no-one who says that Hunter Biden, personally, was being 'investigated' in Ukraine. If you reckon otherwise, show me a link and I'll get the rope ready.