Gov. Andrew Cuomo: 'We’re not going to make America great again; it was never that great'

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  1. Distraff

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    I see some valid arguments that America hasn't been that great. He is seeing greatness by comparing us to a high standard, while I see greatness relative to the times and what our country did to make a better future for the world. I disagree with Cuomo but am not offended by him sharing his views.
     
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    The fact he backpedaled faster than a circus clown indicates he knew what he said was wrong.
     
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    Sorry just couldn't bring myself to vote for a guy who clearly had left too many brain cells in the hookah.
     
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    One who will only settle for perfection better get used to a life of disappointment.
     
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    He had no chance of winning. The LP won't be taking any national offices soon. They need to build up elected officials in local and state elections first in order to give them a base of qualified, experienced people to run for national office. I support the party, but it's small and I don't agree with all of its policies. Specifically national defense.
     
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    I think he honestly believed it and we actually heard a real honest opinion from a politician. He backpedaled when there was a massive backlash from everyone. This is why politicians always are trying to say things that are politically correct to avoid this kind of backlash. Trump has said far worse and has been able to get away with saying very politically incorrect things.
     
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    If they have a spine, they say what they think and accept the consequences. This can be good or bad. Cuomo proved he has no spine. Trump is deluded. I doubt his grip on reality is as firm as his followers think it to be.
     
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    I can understand why Cuomo capitulated. This country is just full of easily offended snowflakes and what he said was going to damage his career and probably still will. Trump is the only person who can get away with political incorrectness mostly because of people just expect that out of him. Most politicians are like him and will try not to say anything too offensive for fear of offending people. When politicians say something controversial its important that we not be part of the problem and instead of yelling at them, thank them for their opinion and offer our own thoughts on the topic.
     
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    True that. You know what bothered me most wasn't the original Aleppo gaff, it was the fact that he couldn't even be bother to try to plug the whole in his knowledge gap even knowing full well that he was going to get bagged on that every time and that it would get him written off by most people in short order. The major problem Libertarians have in my opinion is that they have taken the minimalist position in terms of numbers on almost everything. It didn't help them either when during the Bush presidency they got briefly co-opted by the truthers.
     
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    ...and at the voting booth. :)

    As for Trump, he was elected, IMO, by a combination of people tired of the same old bullshit from Washington and a distrust of Hillary et al, more than people voting for him as their leader. As stated several times before, the best thing about Trump is he beat Hillary in the election. A good second is that he is stirring the Washington pot like it's never been stirred before. I strongly doubt he'll actually accomplish much other than stir others to work harder to regain the trust and confidence of "We, the People". It's about as bloodless a revolution as we'll likely see.
     
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    I don't see how his opinion on America's greatness affects my vote for him. For me its more about how this policy impacts his policy proposals. I think that Trump is overall bad for our country and he is going to hurt us because of high debt, climate change, and extreme dishonestly, anger, and partisanship. I want people to speak their minds, but I want those people to be rational intelligent people who are honestly wanting what is good for the country.
     
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    I think Johnson knew there was no way he'd get more than then 3.28% of the vote he received. Nothing as dramatic as Perot's 18.9% in 1992. THerefore he simply road the horse he was on and didn't work too hard.

    As noted above, I think they'd best be served by focusing more on local and state elections to build a stronger base, especially in Red and Purple states.
     
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    Disagreed for two main reasons: Our nation is a lot more resilient than a single two-term President can affect. Congress is the main bulwark against Executive excess. Unfortunately, our Congress has been weakened by electing spineless weasels to office. Bush wasn't responsible for the Iraq War, Congress was, including Hillary and Kerry. Obama wasn't responsible for Obamacare, Congress was even though not a single Republican voted for it. Presidents can't sign bills Congress never sends them.
     
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    Tragically true.
     
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    And for the last several years we've had a senate that thinks a two day work week is demanding and is scared to death the someone somewhere will speak evil of them, exactly how many house bills stilll languish in the senate where they've never left committee?
     

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