Gov. Little signs ‘Fetal Heartbeat Bill’ into law, protecting the lives of the preborn

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Do you approve the law signed by Governor Little of Idaho?

Poll closed Apr 27, 2022.
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  3. My spin on this is?

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  1. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    You don't know how a law you support is going to be implemented?
    Every miscarriage after 6 weeks is going to have to be investigated as a possible homicide.
    Many women don't even know they're pregnant till that 5 or 6 week mark when they realize they've missed a period.

    So what happens with a rich woman who finds out she's pregnant after 6 weeks in Idaho and doesn't want to risk
    the possible side effects of pregnancy ?
    She travels to California and and has an abortion.
    What happens to a poor woman in the same condition? She goes to back ally providers or tries it herself.
    Read Roe v Wade through the eyes of the Justices who ruled on it. One of the deciding factors was that abortion
    laws are applied mainly to poor women, while rich women just take a "vacation". They were unenforceable laws back
    then, and will be even less enforceable now.

    If Biden signed such a law, would say he was an idiot and I would not vote for him.
     
  2. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Aborting fetus for women who have mental health issues or serious financial issues that make care for
    a baby very problematic IS a health care issue.

    You don't even know what the law says about mental health issues do you?
     
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  3. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    No, and your Y'all Qaeda religious hysterical hyperbole doesn't make it so.
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Take it to the religious section.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    According to whom? Do you suppose that when a women has a miscarriage she's unaware of it? Or do you suppose they just don't tell their doctors?
     
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    Then this could be the case that requires Joe (or Kamala) to rebalance the court...

    And somebody will challenge this through the court system... you'd have to be living under a rock (??) to not know that's coming...

    Finally, while many challenge Wiki for it's accuracy, I've never heard it described as a "fear mongering piece"... thanks for that laugh...

    EDIT - Oh lookie, that didn't take long

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ida...artbeat-bill-banning-abortions-6-weeks-2021-4
     
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  7. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    LOL.... Well, you should simply hand in your constitutional supporter card. Because you don't support and clearly aren't willing to defend our constitution. WIKI is whatever I edit it to look like. Never forget that.
     
  8. Daniel Light

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    Miscarriages are often unreported in the first trimester. Women can see them as a sign as a failure as a mother and don't want (understandably) the world to know. Do you know nothing about women?
     
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    Then you did a great job on the Fetal Heartbeat page... You made it very clear that none of those laws have ever made it past a court challenge...

    Keep up the good work...
     
  10. drluggit

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    Perhaps you've gone a little too far afield here. My experience is that when women I know have had one that they were in contact with their OBGYNs as well. The conversation though was quantification from a legal perspective. And whether the heartbeat bill would make mothers liable for their actions, or for that matter make the crime of other on them also reflect the life that criminal act destroyed. I suspect that women can and do share information about their pregnancies with their doctors. A naturally occurring miscarriage isn't identified as being the focus of a legal/criminal challenge against the mother. No where in the law would it suggest that it is the intent of the law to impart this. so, why offer the red herring you have here?
     
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    Then lear to read. One case was challenged. If by that you infer that no other state law is not in effect you're not understanding what you've read. And frankly the fact that anyone can edit the wiki seems to be entirely lost on you.
     
  12. Daniel Light

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    Now prove that the miscarriage is "naturally occurring" cause that's what a woman will have to prove after 6 weeks under
    this bill. And if pregnant woman leaves the state after 6 weeks and returns no longer pregnant? What then?
     
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    Who suggested that there must be proof? Isn't the reason for the consultation with the medical professional the gauge of this? Who do you propose that you're attempting to protect here? Are you attempting to gloss over say mother's with heroine addictions from being responsible for their own contribution to a death? What area of protection do you suppose that you're demanding here? Simple questions.
     
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  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe the above is well known as trolling. :above::above::above:

    First the narrowing down as a play off my remarks....
    Finance becomes health
    Women are portrayed as mentally deficient

    But the troll is the personal remark made against the poster. All I had said is below.

    Killing babies is not health care.
     
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    Educate yourself. Or don't...

    https://www.verywellfamily.com/making-sense-of-miscarriage-statistics-2371721

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322634#pregnancy-loss-rates-by-week

    https://www.tommys.org/pregnancy-in...stimated figure is that,13 to 24 of pregnancy.

     
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    Considering that the OP - and the legislation it champions - is a blatant trolling attempt, it evens out...
     
  17. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also this nonsense about the miscarriage. First this happens when there is no fetal heartbeat. No problem for mom or the doctor.
     
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    So you don't know what the bill says about mental health issues. Got it.
     
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    How does one lear to read? [​IMG]

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    I never suggested that women who were unaware of their pregnancy were in the scope of the conversation, did I? More, the statistic that you've cited infers that since a woman wouldn't know, there is zero potential that a doctor would know either. The bill, as drafted would also be unaware of any possible criminal liability since it was an unknown condition, and more, there medically would be no basis for the existence of a heart beat. so, what possibly could be your point here?
     
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  21. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agreed to edit an article on a deceased man because I knew him. I was never contacted by WIKI to prove my claims about this person.
     
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    Miscarriages happen after 6 weeks.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More trolling... :above::above::above::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Thank goodness the grammar police showed up... As if you have never experienced a typo before..... Just remember that you still haven't overcome the comment.
     
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    Of course they do. Are you suggesting that the bill doesn't take this into account?
     

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