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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    There is no evidence occurring that Trump himself may be involved personally.
     
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    Not decades. Since 2006.

    And Cohen wasn't the only lawyer working for Trump.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Cohen's under oath admission of guilt and stating what he did was under orders from Trump, DOES constitute evidence, though not enough in itself to charge Trump. But it's definitely powerful enough that it can't be set aside and ignored for its possibilities. Protecting & defending Trump may turn out to have been a bad idea.
     
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    The devil explained it to him.
     
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    So far, he's the only lawyer who's decided to turn on Trump. But Cohen gains nothing personally for turning, unless he can get his time in prison decreased. Lying about Trump wouldn't help Cohen--only the truth would. So, that makes me feel a bit more confidence in Cohen now than I would have before he was indicted.
     
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    Give it up. Hillary is like a punctured balloon in our rear view mirror. Only a few sad holdouts care. The rest have moved far ahead of you and the pathetic Trump minions.

    Mueller and others are no longer interested in proving "collusion." That's already a given - there was and is. Their interest has moved to investigation of conspiracy. Once Mueller has built a wall of evidence on conspiracy, Trump will immediately move from "Subject" of the investigation to "Target."
     
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    The second, contrary to Trumpian superstition, doesn't negate the first. "But someone else committed a crime in an entirely different case" isn't a criminal defense.
     
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    They did a thorough investigation with a fine-toothed comb to see if they could come up with any dirt.
    I bet if they applied the same strategy to the business owners sitting in Congress, at least half of them could be convicted.

    The prosecutor is just trying to throw as many charges as possible to try to squeeze some testimony out of them against Trump, the ultimate target.
    Possibly not the most ethical prosecutorial conduct.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    No where in Cohen's plea agreement does the word "Trump" appear.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    No where in Cohen's plea deal does the word "Trump" appear.
     
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    To say he did so "at the direction of a candidate" makes no sense except for Trump, who was Cohen's boss and a candidate for the Presidency of the U.S.. Can you think of any alternatives?
     
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    The words "at the direction of a candidate" are not in the plea deal text.
     
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    Chairman guilty of things no one though worth pursuing until he spent two months as Trump's campaign chair.
    Plead guilty to things that no one has ever been convicted of before. The move was basically more akin to cutting his losses.
    Gates the only real villain in the piece walked.
    Flynn facing bankruptcy over lies his interviewers said never took place plead guilty rather than lose any more assets.
    Which foreign policy advisor?
     
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    Then what were the exact words? Please enlighten us.
     
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    But paying hookers to shut up isn't illegal.
     
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    In general terms, paying hookers to shut up isn't illegal, but when that's done for the express purpose of keeping them out of the news during a presidential campaign so they can't become a factor affecting the way people vote in an election--that IS illegal. And Trump has basically admitted guilt in an interview where he clarified that the hush payments came from his own pocket and not the campaign funds. He didn't know that made no difference legally. By making that statement, he acknowledges he knew of the payments, even though in former interviews he denied that fact.
     
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    Mueller is doing his job. You should read his authorization which details what he is supposed to investigate. I know you wish he was going beyond his authority, but he's not.
     
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    I have read it, in fact I've posted it here, and its stupid.

    Unheard of actually.

    He's been given the authority to investigate anyone for anything simply if somehow their name comes up in his "main" investigation, which by the way, he isn't even bothering with anymore.

    Now do you see why we call it a witch hunt?

    Hell, if someone mentions your name then Mueller would be digging through your life with a fine tooth comb also.

    Basically this is now a never ending investigation because people will still be mentioning other people.

    He probably has plans, and has the authority for right now, to basically investigate the entire GOP as he chooses.

    That power needs to be revoked like yesterday. There should be a beginning and end to an investigation and it should be squarely focused on one issue and that issue only.

    Its sad, he's already finished up what he was originally tasked to do, now he is going rogue and doing whatever he wants with anyone.
     
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    Quite an impressive list, however, your list of accusations is hardly proof of wrong doing by most listed, and none of those accusations are related to activities to elect Obama. Nice try, but no cigar.
     
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    What fake news told you that Mueller isn't still on the main investigation? He has yet to issue his report on it.

    Trump calls it a witch hunt because he doesn't feel that law enforcement should be investigating his crimes. He feels that "everybody" does what he has done and that he is merely being "unfairly targeted" by "angry Democrats." He knows he is guilty, but it drives him nuts that he is being investigated and is facing mounting legal and political pressure when so many others apparently are not (because they're not in the public spotlight).

    Seems he had some unrealistic expectations about the standards to which he would be held as president.
     
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    Of course he hasn't because then he has to wrap it up.

    Until that report is issued he is given authority to investigate pretty much anyone he wants so why do you think he's waiting?
     
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    Then quit whining about him doing what he was ordered to do. Trump appointed Rosenstein, a life long republican, shortly before Rosenstein appointed Mueller and determined the scope of Mueller's investigation. You're just upset that Trump started all this, and is being caught in the snare he set for himself.
     
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    Yes. That is the way it works. You investigate what you are told to investigate, and then give a report on what you found. It's not that hard to understand, is it?
     
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    Trump hasn't been snared in anything.

    And like I said, Rosenstein's directive was beyond stupid.
     
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    Make up your mind. Are you mad at Mueller, Rosenstein, or Trump for setting the whole thing in motion?
     

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