GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think the trial was fair?

 

Obama approved of the "baby jails". They must be okay - right?

"Obama's Admission

So the President’s immediate association of “End Family Detention” with immigration lawyers wasn’t random. He’d been told and believed we were basically the only ones who’d care, and even then, it would be a minority of us that wouldn’t extract from him a political cost.

So when I said “Yes”, the President looked back and engaged: “I’ll tell you what we can’t have. It’s these parents sending their kids here on a dangerous journey and putting their lives at risk.” And he walked on down the rope line. Not, “I know. I’m working on it.” not, “Thanks for your support”. Just, “Yes. This is the right move given what I perceive the facts to be.”

I was dumbfounded. Let’s unpack the logic of what he said because it’s that logic which led us here.

First, the President [Obama] tacitly admittedly that he was using detention of mothers and children as a deterrent. Days later, a federal court would find that policy likely violates the due process clause. And rightly so, as the ACLU powerfully demonstrated."
ZERO HEDGE, Shocking Testimony: Civil Rights Attorney Asked Obama To Close Migrant "Baby Jails", by Tyler Durden, Tue, 06/19/2018 In 2015.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ney-asked-obama-close-migrant-baby-jails-2015

 

Which trial---the one where Manafort's lawyers specifically thanked the judge and jury for th fair trial? I wasn't there, but since the guy who was found guilty on 8 counts says it was "fair", my gut reaction is that he got a fair trial.

Do you think the poor little tax evader didn't get a "fair trial", I guess you have an uphill claimb and a lot of imagination to work on, and make use of.

You'd better get to fabricating ASAP.

 

The trick is any one with half a brain might think to himself: Hmmmm, I wonder if I could stand up to close scrutiny and should I take into consideration the people I've associated with all my life and the things I've done and said that might be harmful to my efforts to run for president. I think trump ran for president as a shot in the arm for his ego and, as he and many of his associates suspected, he wouldn't win but he found that Putin and Comey combined put him over the top and suddenly he was where he never expected to be and is now finding his previous life is definitely catching up to him. This past year and a half has to have been the biggest mistake of his life.

 

Manafort might have been convicted after a fair trial, but he was certainly not given a fair trial.

"Judge T.S. Ellis III revealed in open court Friday that he has received death threats relating to his presiding over Paul Manafort’s trial for bank and tax fraud at a federal court in Alexandria, Virginia.
The judge has since retained the protection of the U.S. Marshals Service.
“I have the marshal’s protection,” Ellis said. “I don’t even go to the hotel alone. I won’t even reveal the name of the hotel.”
“I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public,” he added.
BREAKING: #Manaforttrial judge won’t release names of jurors citing safety reasons. Says he is under 24/7 US Marshals protection after threats and said “I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public.”"
DAILY CALLER, MANAFORT’S JUDGE IS UNDER FEDERAL PROTECTION AFTER WAVE OF THREATS, Kevin Daley | Supreme Court Reporter., 2:46 PM 08/17/2018.

 

Trump has stood up to scrutiny very well so far.

Is there something you know that the rest of us do not?

 

*LOL*

God, what a load of kooky BS

 

Obviously yes. The way things are building up you should find out pretty soon. A question to consider; why would a man who was innocent think there should be a law against people flipping? If nothing else that question should cause you to do a little thinking for a change.

 

Don't blame me for your lack of ability to remember your own posts.

You said

(Post 116)

1) It is not the function of the justice system to find innocent people guilty

2) Don't accuse me of lying when is you who is lying and you follow this by demonization of the messenger - accusing me of being a Trumpet because you have no clue what you are talking about,have failed to educate yourself, and suffer from blind partisanship.

3) Mueller has a long history of persecution of innocents and ignoring evidence contrary to their guilt - and violating the rules and principles of justice.

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...leblowers-seek-100-million-for-their-troubles

 

As I stated, so far he has stood up to scrutiny.

We know the lefts talking point is "just wait its coming", so yep, still waiting for it.

Maybe one day when he's out of office and retired Mueller might finally wrap it up.

 

You seem to conveniently forget that Watergate took over two years. Don't be so impatient.

 

Watergate had an actual crime that resulted in an investigation. What we have today is just a partisan witch hunt.

 

Yeah, that's why we're seeing the guilty pleas and convictions coming out of the swamp. Keep in mind the only thing Nixon was guilty of was lying. Mueller already has trump on collusion and obstruction of justice.

 

Mueller has neither of these charges. No evidence of collusion and what is this obstruction of justice? Explain that one.

 

Typical....I ask for an explanation and get nothing....sad.

 

The only thing "sad" about your post is that you actually believe that Mueller not sharing his evidence with you means that there is no evidence. That's just silly and illogical.

 

Cohen is an attorney. He's very much aware of what's illegal and what's not. He's facing several years incarceration himself. I doubt he'd plead guilty to something he actually didn't do.

 

Except that REALLY conveniently, Cohen's only nugget of truth, should be a recital of a scripted admission that shaves off 60 YEARS of prison time ... Cohen "is cooperating" with prosecutors ... and Cohen's commitment to "cooperating" certainly doesn't conflict with Cohen's "integrity".

 

Evidence? LOL! Lefties spin and speculate, actually they are wishing, Mueller has something yet they do not know. Why not just wait to see? Innocent until PROVEN guilty is a foreign concept for lefties.

 

Really? Innocent until proven guilty is a foreign concept for lefties? And whose convention on national TV repeatedly chanted "Lock her up!" over and over and over again, always without any display of evidence of guilt? Did you see anything remotely like that kind of disrespect for American civil rights on the Democratic (lefties) convention coverage? No you didn't.

 

LOL! There is plenty there to lock Hillary up. The private server, destroying devices, deleting emails, etc.....I am on the fence about locking Hillary up. I believe we should shy away from locking up political opponents. Democrats have gone after Trump for much less than what Hillary did. It may take a tit for tat to bring the dems around to sanity.....so, yes lock her up.

 

Let us know which "crimes" that she "committed" instead of a laundry list of things that you think are "real bad."

 

Hahaha! Mishandling classified material and obstruction of justice. I am sure a Special Counsel could cook up more after they put the screws to the Podesta brothers.....

Now, let me know what crimes Trump has committed.

 

Uh, no. You did it again. Cite to the statute, lay out the elements of the offense, and set forth the facts you believe prove the elements of the crime. I told you that posting "well, uh, like classified information...err---obstructifications of justice, and stuff!" is just nonsense.

 

Here they are:

18 U.S. Code § 2232 — Destruction or removal of property to prevent seizure

(a) Destruction or Removal of Property To Prevent Seizure

Whoever, before, during, or after any search for or seizure of property by any person authorized to make such search or seizure, knowingly destroys, damages, wastes, disposes of, transfers, or otherwise takes any action, or knowingly attempts to destroy, damage, waste, dispose of, transfer, or otherwise take any action, for the purpose of preventing or impairing the Government’s lawful authority to take such property into its custody or control or to continue holding such property under its lawful custody and control, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(b) Impairment of In Rem Jurisdiction

Whoever, knowing that property is subject to the in rem jurisdiction of a United States court for purposes of civil forfeiture under Federal law, knowingly and without authority from that court, destroys, damages, wastes, disposes of, transfers, or otherwise takes any action, or knowingly attempts to destroy, damage, waste, dispose of, transfer, or otherwise take any action, for the purpose of impairing or defeating the court’s continuing in rem jurisdiction over the property, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 1512 — Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(c) Whoever corruptly

(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or

(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 1519 — Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 2071 — Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

18 U.S. Code § 641 — Public money, property or records

Whoever embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use, or the use of another, or without authority, sells, conveys or disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof, or any property made or being made under contract for the United States or any department or agency thereof, …

Shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years or both. …

18 U.S. Code § 793 — Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information …

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer —

Shall be fined not more than $10, 000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy, shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

Your turn.....