Health care....Down Under

I believe I did. See #110,

 

Seems you have flown the coop; left health care behind and now want to include public health inspections. Why not throw in the people who do cavity searches?

You have left rationality in the distant past, but then- I'm not the least surprised.
Since you think the government pays for everything, I kind of suspect you don't see any reason for you to work at all.

 

Of course, your idea of nationalized health care does not pay for those things either, they are paid for out of other tax bases. Nationalilzed health care provides the same services as private health care- but generally with notable exceptions:

Time- waiting top get in, to get treated tends to be much greater.
Choices- Doctors are not all the same. In private insurance, you can choose pretty much any you feel are most suitable. In nationalized care, you get the next one on the list.
Options- get limited too. the variety of ways things can be approached when you can make the choices drops dramatically when government makes the rules.
And while I haven't researched it, I'm pretty sure that the nationalized services are well protected from malpractice claims. In the US, studies estimate that around 200,000 people die each year from medical errors. Generally, the government gives itself immunity here. Try suing a nationalized health service for requiring something or denying something that resulted in substantial harm, and what you get is something like the famous finger.

I have family in Canada- one of whom has MS, and has a long history of dealing with the Canadian system. One of the steps that helped her substantially and put her disease in remission was a surgery that Canada simply hasn't decided she needs. They had to go to Mexico, spend $25K out of pocket for a private clinic that specializes in the process.

Get the idea that nationalized health care is efficient, fair or satisfying out of your head- it isn't, but under those systems, there's not a damn thing you can do about it- including quit and go your own way. Your being happy with the health service doesn't matter to government, any more than your being happy with the IRS. Everything we do that gives the government more power over us, over our various systems, brings us closer to authoritarian rule, where the only thing we can do is trust that government won't be unworthy of our trust. You have to be really, grossly naive to even think that will ever be true.

 

Unless he doesn't pay income taxes or have electricity, he didn't get anything for free.

It would appear that they have found an innovative way to cover everyone's healthcare - kudos!!!

 

I've never believed that dental should be part of a universal system. But now that we are learning about the importance of dental health for overall health, I'm beginning to rethink it.

 

You seem to have a substantial problem with examples, comparable analogies meant to help you grasp a concept, facts and generally with anything except the answer you want to hear. Makes no sense to even talk to people who can't expand their view beyond the limits they have chosen for themselves. They just glean through information to find things to deny or further their position; ignore the rest. You seem to be oblivious to the lessons of history as well.

Feel free to tell the government you are happy with them changing your diapers and disposing of your remains, and everything in between. That will make them happy- and make you controlled property rather than a free person. Such people deserve what they get; the unfortunate side of it is they insist on good men joining them or being forced to participate. Many a war has been fought for personal freedom, and always there are fools that will trade it away in small bits and pieces for some promise of government, until they wake up and find that they have none left at all- and by then, lack the courage or means to do anything about it.

I don't know of a single government program that is well-managed, that doesn't have fixes and patches on it's patches, that isn't loaded with waste, forecast to be bankrupt soon and will need to be saved with new taxes or more debt. That does nothing to caution the people who want to believe their promises that someone else will pay the bills, despite the fact that is never true. Perhaps our most critical health issue is a mental one- we just aren't smart enough to look past big fat "easy" promise and read the small print.

 

Wow, practically everything you wrote here is wrong!

The quoted NHS cost per capita does include cost of providing auxiliary services such as cost of 24/7 ambulance service, physiotherapy, counseling, cost of answering 999 emergency calls, etc.

We can chose which doctor we want to see which I've done regularly.

One of the biggest costs to the NHS is malpractice claims.

I have a friend with MS (diagnosed 20 years ago) who has regular contact with specialists who are also offering home help as part of the NHS service (which he has refused due to stubbornness - wanting to stay independent when clearly he needs help).

 

Well I can't fault your imagination, that's for sure, riddled with hypocritical bigotry though it is - clearly you're the one with a narrow mind, enjoying the fruits of society while claiming utter independence, and entertaining a generalized (hence bigoted) view of your fellow citizens not grounded in fact. Sad that you think it constitutes reality.

 

Of course, everybody that doesn't think like you is "wrong", because you see your own view as the benchmark which is the standard all other opinions and facts are judged by.
That's your limitation; that is what makes you unable to function without some kind of government support and oversight.

There is no private agency, corporation or authority that is not government, that is less prudent financially, less responsive to individual needs, less just in it's provision of services and more plagued by persistent incompetence than government. I'm sure they appreciate your vote of confidence and gullibility.

People that can cut it, can manage their own lives successfully- understand this. People who can't..... don't.

 

Anddddd your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine other than yours just being random irrelevant sentences

 

Are you a paid spokesman for liberal socialism, or do you do it as volunteer work? You certainly mirror the scripts, but I doubt you have ever been there.

IF you could cut it on your own, you damn sure wouldn't be promoting giving any power over your own life to government. Any government.
That may be the defining difference between us- and of course, it results in widely separated points of view. From yours, you cannot see what I see- and tell yourself it is imaginary. However, I have been dirt poor and had many misfortunes in the first half of my life, dealt with them all and came out on top, so I have seen the elephant from all sides. Sadly, I've learned that no matter how hard you try, you can't get someone to learn from those who have already been where they are going- they just have to do stupid things on their own. Unfortunately, even the consequences of that doesn't educate most of them, and they get to take the class over.

Even worse- they don't understand that once you create a monster in the government world, you can never put an end to it, and you can never control it. It's like giving yourself an incurable, persistent disease on purpose. How smart is that?

 

Didn't see a thing, did you? Not surprised.

It's a maturity thing, limits resulting from your point of view.
Either you understand, or you don't.
If you do, no explanation is needed.
If you don't, no explanation is possible

 

Yea 'course it is, troll

 

Another self-serving product of your imagination.

 

My experience with a hip replacement was 10 weeks from first visit to the GP to operating table was 10 weeks.

 

I believe you did post from an anonymous kook blog. Do a whois onhealthsystemtracker.org and see for yourself.

 

How much more is your employer paying because that is not what any price anywhere I have googled will provide

As I said though you are only pay for service for a small slice of the health care dollar. Will Ye or Nill Ye you are paying for the CDC, the free childhood vaccinations, the Medicare component that others, not you, are using.....

 

Private cover here would not even take that long but public - yes and some of that is to ensure we are doing it at the right time. Hip replacements like knee replacements are not always rushed into simply because the person might be too young - the replacements only last 10 years or so but that is not a consideration with private that enjoy$ Collecting Dollar$$$$

 

My employer pays $465 a month about what the Government was paying when I had Obama Care. But, I get much better service due to the re-imbursement rate. The Government funded plans must have some overhead somewhere. You're paying through the nose in higher taxes and prices for goods and services and just can't see the fleecing.

 

Fabulous you pay higher taxes and higher cost of goods and services to get crappy health care then need to pay for private insurance too.

Yep that's better.

 

Because conservatives want a system that leaves the poor to die or whatever other consequences may arise from their inability to access health care. They dont want to pay for it under ANY system. They would prefer a system where the hospital goes

"Okay, how are you going to pay for this? Oh. you cant? Please get out. Thank you. "

 

Dude, when someone yells "fore!" they are not just informing us what comes after three.

 

I'm glad you're better.
So who is actually paying for it?

 

How do you know it's "crappy" health care?

 

The wait times say it all.