Here come the socialists: 'Comrades' seeking office in 2018 take cue from Sanders

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No they do not have any such thing and my statement is factual yours is false.

    They have no such vision or written goals or coordination or even organization.

    you cannot cite any of these things and that is fact.

    The alt right is strictly and exclusively a boogey man created by the cankle
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree there is not "alt-right" headquarters. OTOH, the alt-right is a label that includes a variety of groups who all share some common "values and goals". They all espouse racist goals and promote xenophobia. They all are "nationalist" although their definitions vary to some degree. They are almost exclusively white. They share common "enemies of the state/race/culture".

    But then again, socialists come in an even wider variety than alt-righters. The fact of the point I was making which apparently zoomed completely over your head.
     
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    Socialism tolerates no dissent. Most of the prisoners in the Soviet gulags were people who had done nothing but utter a wrong word. People who think that Nazism is as bad as it gets don't know much about what has happened under socialism. In practice these ideologies are not very different. They are both as bad as it gets - we'd better bloody-well hope so.
     
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    Socialists are an actual political party with stated goals.

    Alt right is not exclusively racist or with racist values nor do they all promote xenophobia which are falsehoods you claim.

    Alt right is merely a loose term for anyone the cankle clinton did not approve of in the last election.
     
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    i mean, you're partially correct in that the line between the "alt" right and just regular old racist right-wing extremism is a generational thing and not a matter of beliefs or politics at all, but considering i had an argument with a dude whose favorite words were all either racial slurs or internet memes on some random discord server just last night, i'm pretty sure such people exist
     
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    Alt right is a term coined by Bannon and espoused by Brietbart. Missed that one, did ya?

    All radical racist right wing fringe groups are members of the alt-right. Which member groups of the alt-right are not racist/bigots?

    But feel free to argue with yourself about your personal understanding (or lack thereof) of the term alt-right.
     
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    Wrong.

    It was not coined by Bannon.

    https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-term-alt-right

    It is you missing a lot of things.

    The term alt right was adopted by the cankle to refer to anyone voting against her or voting for Trump most of whom are not racists or bigots.
     
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    Mea culpa, Bannon just declared that Brietbart was the platform for the alt-right. And then proceeded to spread manure amongst their target audience.

    But keep telling yourself the story that best fits your entrenched biases and to hell with facts or accuracy. It works great for Twittler so why not you.
     
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    Declaring a platform does not equate to coining the term as you claim.

    I am stating facts to you not a story but keep living in denial.
     
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    Rule of law, necessary to avoid anarchy, promotes well-ordered relations between self-interested individuals. The individual's rights and freedoms must be subject to the rule of law in any well-ordered system. Toleration of dissent is a cultural factor in any society (though economics is often the root source of dissent: "it's the economy, stupid")
     
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    Nice mental contortion there.

    I live in denial that you know what you are talking about for damn sure.
     
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    Quite wrong.

    the mental gymnastics would be stretching and perverting the meaning of words so that coining a term means giving an already existing term a platform.

    Words have meaning no matter how much you ignore them and coining a term does not mean giving a platform to those who are described by the term.

    Simple logic defeats you and is not a contortion.

    I do know what I am talking about and yes you live in denial of facts.
     
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    Socialism if practiced with compassion resembles early Christianity, Naziism cannot be practiced with compassion, the entirety of its philosophy is based upon the idea that compassion is evil. Mind, that is not to excuse socialism one bit, in fact it condemns its atrocities even more as it adds a rank hypocrisy to them, but Naziism is the pure worship of evil and I don't see how anyone can deny that.
     
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...50-yes-it-has-abolished-poverty/#1d949b985927

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-charts/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cb66845c1364
     
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    Steve Bannon begs to differ!

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/bannon-cambridge-analytica/index.html

    Plenty of nefarious alt right organization, coordination and vision factually documented in that article.

    FTR there are other credible sources documenting the alt right out there if you care to do your own research.
     
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    As does socialism.
    Deregulated is the preferred term used by the GOP while carrying out the orders of their Wall Street Casino Bosses.
     
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    Yes and my statement remains unchallenged as Bannon's vision or whatever is HIS not representative of others.
     
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    Actually it was challenged since no one on the alt right has ever refuted Bannon's vision of the alt right ergo it stands uncontested.
     
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    It is unchallenged because it is strictly his vision.
     
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    Which he stipulated was expressly for the alt right in his vision.
     
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    Yes his.

    Not anyone else's.
     
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    Very pedestrian response. You're obviously incapable of logically defending socialism so you're resorting to silly spitballs.
     
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    so do you have any problem with what i said or what
     
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    irrelevant, because you're being intellectually dishonest by deflecting from the topic.
    clout is an important thing, and derailing threads is not how one keeps it.
     
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    okay ben shapiro
     

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