Here come the socialists: 'Comrades' seeking office in 2018 take cue from Sanders

noted your concession of defeat, thank you

 

Being a mind like Shapiro has is never an insult, or should not be to anyone. I do not share all of his positions or beliefs, but that fellow, using just an education, logic and reason would quickly destroy anyone who is not of the same vein. But what you see when it comes to Ben, and those on the far left who would argue against him, is the far left losing, because they cannot hang with him, and therefore must do as you do and not argue his rationality, but just personally attack. So clever dirty tricks that become transparent fast.

What we need on the left of center crowd are people like Gore Vidal and instead of having those great minds, we have people who must hurl personal insults, or shout others down, for they are not of the same caliber as to actually debate people like Shapiro. Nor of the same IQ as Ben.

I have never seen Ben lose an argument with anyone from the left of center crowd. For they generally cannot rationally debate Ben and seem to always resort to name calling or trying to shout him down. But then again, many of the positions and beliefs of the modern left are so disconnected from reality as to be incapable of such debate. Ben will not allow these people to create their own realities, as they run away from actual reality.

So, even having a Gore Vidal would not help these days, for one must be connected to reality as a first step in order to take Ben on. Gore would not buy into what many of the left believe in today. For he was a rational, logical person, and so much coming from the left in recent years just isn't.

 

I've seen Ben lose a debate on a couple of topics, but overall he is on his game.

 

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I don't know how you can say that. There has never been an example of socialism practiced with compassion. It is by its very definition a dictatorship. The ruling party allows no opposition, no political competition. The people have no say, no rights, no freedom, and no prosperity.

The evils of the Nazis are well known, but a lot of people ignore, or are completely ignorant of the fact that a lot of the horrible stuff that was done under the Nazis had been done years before in the USSR, were still going on all during Hitler's time, and continued for years after he shot himself.

 

Then you have watched more than I. I think he is as sharp as a tack, and I, as I said, disagree with him on some of his stances. But I have always been fond of very educated and rational people, no matter which side they hail from. I can be convinced to change my mind, my own way of thinking, but it demands someone who is learned, educated, rational and logical. And in my long life I have changed my opinion on particular issues, when provided a rational, logical argument, which jives with reality. But I have never been an ideologue either, with emotional investment in a position, a belief.

 

being compared to ben shapiro is absolutely an insult

 

Socialists never support or propose freedom.

Quite the opposite in fact.

 

if your definition of freedom is "not socialism", of course, but you don't seem to have any sort of concept of freedom beyond rampant capitalism

 

Capitalism is a form of freedom but not the only one and of course socialists oppose it. And most others as well.



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I can say that for the rather simple reason that it's true. There are many quite benign examples of socialism, some. like the Oneida community, were in the USA. You take the one truly horrible example, the Soviet Union, and extrapolate it to all the ones that have ever existed. The Soviets were actually and emphatically NOT communism, they were State Capitalism, which is, rather emphatically NOT either Capitalism OR Communism.

OTOH at least you didn't try to defend the Nazis as a reaction to the Soviets, which I have seen some do, and has even less validity than your buzzword based smear.

 

capitalism is the "freedom" to take what other people produce because of your violent occupation of the means of production. capitalism is totalitarian.

 

Absolutely false.

Owners of the means of production take no such thing.

Nor were the means of production OCCUPIED by the owners they were built and MADE by the owners.

But you just exposed the cognitive dissonance of socialists who ignore reality.

 

It amazes me how much that definition is practiced on this board.

 

the police are nothing but the military of the bourgeoisie and the workplaces that those pigs lay claim to were built by construction workers, not some worthless executive

 

Henry Ford and Andrew Carnagie, frex, were both remarkable men, but they did NOT build the factories they owned, and the machinery within them, entirely by themselves without any help whatsoever. Not unless they could lift towers weighing several tons hundreds of feet into the air with their own muscles.

 

Nice bumpersticker soundbyte but entirely false.

 

Yes and they still did nbot take the means of production from anyone.

 

Your lack of understanding of how things work is sad.

 

sorry i forgot that donald trump personally constructed his hotels with his two hands, some bricks, and a lot of mortar

 

If someone cannot create their own "job", then they must work for someone who creates jobs.

 

No one claimed he did.

The workers were compensated for their labor but his investments did make it possible and gave them jobs.

 

capitalism creates the very problems that these actions solve

 

No it does not but socialism does.

It creates and spreads poverty.

 

you understand that "we need to come up with more **** to pay people to do" is a problem unique to capitalism, yes