How Does the Price of Gas Effect YOUR budget?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Trinnity, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find the political cartoon light years more intellectual than the simple minded slogan like 'it was all about sex' being passed as a political debate.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They also forget, in their hurry to note the republican low numbers, that 4 times as many folk hate the dems in Congress as approve, not exactly a great number for them.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is also largely why my spouse stopped her part time job. The gas costs and taxes were eating half the paycheck. If the car had a problem as a result of the extra miles driven, the job would have cost us money.
     
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    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wonder were all these people were at in the last 6 months of 2008 and for first 6 months of 2009? :roll:
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    'Big Fossil Fuel' is in the business of selling gas and heating oil. The largest calculation in price is supply and demand and in today's world, that supply is largely driven by government meddling in the markets. No keystone, higher prices. No drilling, higher prices...add that to the greediest institution out there, government and their never ending taxes on fuel and we have high priced gas.

    Buying a toy car at a premium is not the answer. Getting the government out of the way is.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Double post
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That fails to address what I wrote which is that 'peak oil' is a scam that has been perpetrated by world governments, big-money movers and shakers like George Soros and hedge-fund managers.

    The reason why this scam can be put in motion is because environmentalists have been successful at blocking drilling which thwarts oil exploration. They are useful idiots to the big-money movers. The claim that we have reached the 'peak' is unsubstantiated. The oil market comprises literally trillions of dollars.

    It's a bit like saying we are at 'peak diamond' that is, there are less diamonds in the Earth than in the hands of man and prohibiting folks from digging for more. That would make what diamonds there are available much more valuable and, it would certainly be a scam.
     
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    What grade are you in? Oil will not run out? Do you know what oil was made from?
     
  9. DeathStar

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    Yes. Big Oil and the government are "in bed" with each other. If it weren't for that, alternatives would be more economical by now.
     
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    So, environmentalists are causing the laws of geology to change? The reason why oil is increasing in expensiveness is because we've gotten the easier oil from closer to Earth's surface, and now, it's getting harder and costlier to get to.

    Also, increased demand from China and India and other countries is a HUGE factor.
     
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    I'm gonna go out on a limb and state, oil companies don't want gov't out of their way. The gov't and big oil are very very cozy together. Just how much does the gov't get in taxes off of big oil and all associated products?
     
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    That is absolutely untrue. I have several vehicles, among which is a GMC Yukon which is built for E85 (85% ethanol, for those who do not know).

    It gets 3.8mpg less on E85 than it does on 10% Ethanol gas, and 4.3mpg less than "good old gas".

    This is not a fluke. This happens to everyone:


    I hate people who lecture about stuff they don't understand themselves. Ethanol contains less potential energy than gasoline:

    Ethanol sucks, is expensive to produce, and it's emission benefits are in question, and largely countered by considering how much energy it takes to produce a gallon of it.

    But what do I know? I've likely forgotten more organic chemistry than you know.
     
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    ok..this might be a simple misunderstanding, but..

    1. Energy density can be measured either by energy per volume (which would include gallons) or energy per mass (kilograms etc.). And,

    2. It's not the energy-per-gallon or even energy-per-kilogram that counts. It's the energy-per-dollar that counts. If a gallon of something has only half the energy stored as a gallon of something else, but that gallon only costs half as much as that other substance, then they are equally as costly. And,

    3. Ethanol alcohol is not the only form of combustible alcohol that exists. And,

    4. There are ways to mass-produce artificial carbohydrates that can be used to make alcohol. I'll have to research them again. But at least they would be renewable. Currently, fossil fuels are not.
     
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    'Laws of geology?' Come now. Please explain why there is a GLUT of oil on the market right now and prices are skyrocketing. It certainly isn't due to REAL supply/demand issues...It's political.

    It's cheaper and easier to go after once hard-to-get oil with today's technology that it would be to change our whole energy infrastructure. No one can say how much oil there is until we are allowed to drill again.

    I repeat...'peak oil' is a scam.
     
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    Many were at their jobs - now they have lost them

    Other were in the homes - many have since lost them to foreclosure

    and to think they were promised "hope and change"
     
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    "Thomas Gold, a respected astronomer and professor emeritus at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY, has held for years that oil is actually a renewable, primordial syrup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attacked by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs, he says.

    All of which has led some scientists to a radical theory: Eugene Island is rapidly refilling itself, perhaps from some continuous source miles below the Earth's surface. That, they say, raises the tantalizing possibility that oil may not be the limited resource it is assumed to be."


    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
     
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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    Well it seems we have another liberal who is not up on current events

    As out technology improves oil companies are able to get more oil that years ago they could not tap

    Their have been found massive reserves found in the last few years, and yet libs keep whining how oil is going to run out

    Of course libs have also been telling us how the Earth is cooling for decades

    Or is it heating up?

    Or is it simply changing?
     
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    talking to yourself again are we? :)
     
  19. bacardi

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    even worse.....they expect the rest of the globe to pay for their selfish ways....as if the world owes them cheap plentyfull oil!
     
  20. bacardi

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    the US only produces less than half its needs.....what part of that don't you understand? And the other dude complaining that the diesel trucks too expensive....so now the rest of the globe needs to sacrifice and give you cheap oil so that americans can live high on the hog? Are you americans really that self centered and selfish?
     
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    Are you baked?
     
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    GeddonM3 Well-Known Member

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    lol do what? where the hell did i say anything about the rest of the world giving us anything? my quarrel is with my countries current administration, it has nothing to do with what the rest of the worlds (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s are doing.

    stop being conceited,i dont want a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed thing from any of you.
     
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    uhmmmm this thread is about gasoline!
     
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    GeddonM3 Well-Known Member

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    and ummmm once again, where did i even include anything about wanting the world to give us freebies or cheapies???

    show me that then we will continue this discussion.
     
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    Oh yeah? Does Earth naturally produce it as quickly as we, with our billions of vehicles, use it? I think not.

    Now, if we did hypothetically find a way of economically mass-producing it, then that'd be great, but we have not.
     

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