How long should someone be tortured?

That's was a error on my part but my point still stands.....all three words do not mean the same.

 

If you think so. I guess I should try a dark ice-cream. Chocolate or so. The prince of darkness will love it. Or perhaps a vampire blood icecream for Halloween. Or should I produce a hotcream instead of an icecream? ... grmrbll ...

http://youtu.be/36EM4aCWqjQ

 

When you grow up let me know?

 

Now

http://youtu.be/7rK3s_BP9kE
http://youtu.be/HOEXOBx9eVc

 

I am never hurt by a sin as badly as I hurt the sinner out of revenge. I never want to stay the victim. I like to respond so harshly to sinners that most people forget about the initial sin and consider the initial sinner as the victim. Of course, this does not fool God, who knows that my actions were justified and righteous in seeking just vengeance.

 

Whatever - I don't know - no one knows [except Jesus] - who will have to go to hell and who not. The game is not over. Con-cen-tra-tion, concentration now begins.

http://youtu.be/aO3PYGXqCUs

 

Ok, but I'm not interested in your videos though.

 

Jesus does mention Hell in the parable about the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:14-31). This is what the rich man says about hell: "Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire." So there is some kind of torture and it seems to involve fire.

What do you think Hell is?

 

Aha

http://youtu.be/y2DH-r6DMNI

 

Hell is the consequnces of your own choices. The only person that sends you there is you. IF its real, which you don;t think so ... so why worry?

Maybe because you know it is real? Well, maybe you should explore how YOU earn a trip there if you so greatly fear it? Obviously, there is something in your life that you feel is earning you a trip there? Whose fault is that? The God's that you do not believe in? Or yours?

 

What Jesus is trying to tell us is how not to make it any worse than what it already is.

If you have an opportunity to exact your revenge, then, logically, the offense against you was less than infinite. So your infinite revenge is far worse than the original offense against you.

Also, if you validate your idea of revenge, infinite or not, then what do you say when others think that you offend them and start a revenge against you? Who is there to say then, that their "demages" are real or not and that you caused them or not? Surely, this judgement is exclusively God's job, ergo all revenge is exclusively God's job.

 

Have you ever try to find out what the Greek word that is used? The word that is used is hadēs its called the place of the dead, not the place of the wicked.....all the spirit of the dead goes there. Have you not noticed that the rich man and Lazarus are in the same place (verse 23) so are able to see each other? The only thing that separated them is what is called a gulf or chasma in the Greek. Abraham and Lazarus on one side and the rich man on the other side. So even Abraham, Lazarus is in hell with the rich man. So what you think Jesus is talking about is not what He is really talking about.

But the hell that the wicked will be cast into after the white throne judgment is an entirely different thing all together than what Jesus spoke about in Luke 16, and it still does not say anything about a never ending torment.

 

Revenge is never quite exact. It can only approach eternity. Revenge is never achieved. It's more about the journey, I would say.

I expect to be punished eternally for each of the sins I have committed. I will also defend myself and attempt to escape punishment.

 

To be honest: I don't expect to be punished only a little for my sins in the other world. And if - I would absolutelly not be happy about.

http://youtu.be/_jIj1H7RQ-k

 

ALTER2EGO -to- DARK DAIMON:

Literal hellfire torment is not a Bible teaching. You can read the Judeo-Christian Bible from cover to cover, and you will not find a single verse of scripture that shows it to be literal. This falsehood was copied by the Roman Catholic Church and brought into their perverted version of Christianity after the last book of the Bible was written. Again, it is not a Bible teaching.

For more on this, see my thread entitled: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching? Below is the weblink that will get you there quickly.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/247421-hellfire-bible-teaching.html

 

I choose to take responsibility for my actions.

 

That's only because you are a good guy.

http://youtu.be/j0JiEglvJic

 

Don't worry: All perverted versions of Christianity - not only idiots who are calling themselve Catholics - will burn forever in hellfire ... ... if it is the will of god to do so.

http://youtu.be/CKWRuFjIRFo

 

Since I don't understand the statement, yes and no. Turn the other cheek and shut up?

 

This is one aspect of Abrahamic religions that I find so ridiculous. The concept of torturing someone simply for not believing in something unbelievable - for not kissing god's ass. It's just crazy.

 

May I ask what's the planet you are coming from? Take a look at one of the hells on earth:



Now tell me please: What to do with the people here - and what to do with the people who did this?

http://youtu.be/QEUtF4-PUy0

 

If you think God is going to handle it for you or if you don't believe in justice, that would be a fair option.

 

I guess the story is that you get tortured for the sins you have committed. Believing in God and Jesus (for Christians) is just a way to escape punishment for your other sins.

 

Not sure what any of this has to do with my previous post. I'm talking about torturing people for simply not believing or acknowledging a god and you change the subject.

 

My question is purely academic I assure you. I have no worries about where my "soul" is going. I just find the Judeo-Christian concept of Hell fascinating. I mean why would a just and loving God create a place of such misery and torture? It makes no sense.

Now the Jehovah Witnesses don't really believe in a Hell. They believe that in a worst cast scenario, you just don't get resurrected. I can respect that. No eternity of torture, you just don't get the reward of eternal life. Though I do have to say that it doesn't make a very compelling reason to join their religion, especially for an atheist. I mean if the worst thing that is going to happen is what I believe is going to happen anyway (eternal death), then I don't have much motivation in giving up celebrating my birthday or any holidays. Then if you think how boring an eternity in heaven worshiping God must be, I think I'd rather choose eternal death.

The Buddhists and Hindus have the coolest system. If you screw up, you just have to come back at a lower level and repay your sins through Karma. This is nice because you can get as many chances as you need to get it right. The Buddhists go one step further and believe that if you are really good, you don't have to be reborn for eternity. Again, not a compelling reason to join their religion, though the thought of having to go through puberty again would scare most people.

So here is an open question to the forum. Does anyone deserve to be tortured forever?