How long should someone be tortured?

And who did Abraham did that to and taught that?

 

I showed to you that the paradise and hell don't have a common element - if you don't undertand this spiritual feeling then on the simple reason that there is nothing to understand. I showed you two strange situations - excluding each other - paradise and hell don't fit. We don't know what to do, what to think, how to feel ... We need gods grace to solve this problem.

Let me say: Every religion is either itselve a hell or has a concept of hell inside and/or outside. Same with atheism. Atheism created lots of concrete hells. Even the intention not to have intentions is able to produce concrete hells. The question could be for the abstrahots of our times: "We" (=all mankind) need justice to survive - but nowhere in this world here is existing justice. So how we are able to survive in a world without justice and hope if we like to stay in the same time realistic human beings (because we also have to be realists if we like to survive). What do you offer concrete? What do you suggest? To kill all Jews, Christians and Muslims and to replace them with Americans - whatever Americans could be?

http://youtu.be/ndNom4s4vq4

 

He's using the expression "Abraham" for the monotheistic reiigions and likes to express in this way that monontheism is a man made idea. The question in the background is: "What about if Abraham [or anyone else who was the first monotheist] got no message from god, but was only a liar?" And he's doing the same what you are doing - if you would replace your hate against Catholics with hate against monotheists then he and you would be members of [nearly] the same religion.

http://youtu.be/SRvnwToma8Y

 

If a religion is attributed to Abraham by calling it the Abrahamic religion then the person is saying whatever is done in it was taught by Abraham. But the truth is Abraham never had any religion…he may have had a religion in the Country God told him to leave when his name was Abram. But Abraham was a kingdom man, in that he looked for a kingdom whose building and maker is God. But only religious people would read the Bible and see the Bible and those men of God as religious. Religious people have no understanding of the purpose for God making man and what God is doing and His overall future plan.

 

I assumed you would go by the New Testament. You are a Satanist?

 

I guess most Christians don't know who Abraham was and why he is important.

No - you are saying that someone else has to think in a way so you are able to understand what the person thinks.

The wife of Abraham was Sara. The Nazis forced all jewish women to use the name "Sara". Men had to use the name "Israel". 6 million Saras and Israels were murdered from the Nazis - 1.5 millions of them were children. All of them were descendants of Abraham. If you like to entertain some people with your completly confused view on the bible then do it. But please do not expect from me that I'm able to take serios anything what you say.

http://youtu.be/nTCuQ5FzhYg

 

Huh?

I have no idea wtf you're talking about.

False.

lol, what.

Again, I have no idea what this has to do with my post. This in no way addresses why people would be tortured for all of eternity based on god's ego trip.

 

The scriptures say things about Abraham but it sure never said he was religious.

I don't see what that has to do with Abraham being liked to a religion. But Jesus told the religious leaders that if they were children of Abraham they would do the works of Abraham. So a true descendant is one that believes Jesus. And besides, it was not only Jews that were killed by the Nazi.

 

Would they have died if the Allies had supplied them with food and medical air drops?

 

LOL. No, I think religion is dumb enough. Fake religions are a fair bit dumber.

 

Anobsitar seems to be translating from a higher context culture than what many of us are used to.

 

¿What? ... By the way: Mr. Frankenstein got a new delivery of fresh empty brains. Interested?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRpHnz2ZJo&feature=related

 

If it should be a serios question: Try to be the answer you are able to find here on earth.

[video=youtube_share;r2blbyW-pUI]http://youtu.be/r2blbyW-pUI[/video]

[video=youtube_share;jri0U57iWWM]http://youtu.be/jri0U57iWWM[/video]

 

Agreed. But isn't revenge about as dumb as it gets?

 

2,500 is a long way from 6 million. The second video looks like a Hollywood production.

So we are still stuck with the question. Would those people have died if the Allies had dropped food and medicine for them?

From a practical matter they don't look any worse than the troops in our Civil War concentration camps.

 

Is there such a thing as a real religion?

 

People will run all over you if you don't seek justice. That longing we all feel to exact revenge on our enemies is as basic an emotion as they get. Built around survival. It's just what humans were meant to do. I'm not about all this new age religious stuff about humans being different or above the other animals.

And I don't know about you guys, but I honestly don't feel nearly as bad about things, even if I have to smash the whole house down to get to someone who owes me, as I would if I had backed down.

In all practicality, you have to pick your battles, and you have to draw the line at some point well short of having the authorities contacted, missing eternity by a lot. But I think, in theory, a person who wrongs another, purposefully and without provocation, owes that victim more than he can ever repay. And that is what I mean by eternal punishment being the only just punishment. Eternal representing the concept of incalculable.

 

Yes, the ones that aren't made for the sole purpose of mocking existing religions.

 

Is it wise to spend all of your time and effort trying to keep what you have when doing so will cause you untold pain and suffering?

Just the other day a man killed another guy over a bag of Cheetos. http://www.eurweb.com/2012/09/man-kills-another-man-over-a-bag-of-cheetos/

Whatever happened to the idea of sharing? So now one guy is dead and another one faces prison. Did they make good decisions?

 

No. The guy who tried to steal the cheetos (evidently that is what happened, I did not click the link, I take your word for it) made a horrible, despicable decision and is responsible both for his own death and the victim's imprisonment. It's not about the cheetos. It's about human dignity. Don't eff with people.

 

It's always good to remember that about 25% of Americans are crazy and another 25% are nutty. So never assume that the other person is sane.

 

A valuable rule of thumb.

 

Why did you decide to be a Nazi? Do you not believe in hell?

http://youtu.be/zM3bGqMVWK8

 

Well. we ARE totally different from other animals because we have developed self-consciousness and dropped instinct, like it or not. Consciousness tells us not to waste our time on footle about the past but to go on and get something better. You are picking up childish nastiness from American religiosity, I fear.

 

Other animals have shown they have self-awareness and we have not dropped instinct, like it or not.

Jesus Christ, I can't believe there are actually adults that don't think we have instincts. You've never booked up a single book or read a single article on psychology or sociology, have you?

Oh look, it's science:


http://news.discovery.com/animals/dolphins-smarter-brain-function.html

http://www.livescience.com/4631-modern-humans-retain-caveman-survival-instincts.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/tv/humaninstinct/programme1.shtml

PLEASE read more. You need it.