How many Covid deaths are acceptable

You have this fantasy wherein all the non-Trumpers die. That ain't gonna happen, many countries have weathered this quite well. If they can do it, so can we.

 

Blue States are getting hit much harder by the Chinese Virus than Red States are.

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Any number a person gives you is arbitrary. Including whatever number you may have decided on for yourself, assuming you have a limit.

 

There are now more deaths in the United States than the 80k estimated flu deaths in the CDC article you linked. Flu deaths that occurred with no distancing or lockdowns as well as vaccines and Tamiflu.

Thousands are still dying every day from COVID-19. With distancing and lockdowns. We don't have a vaccine or a Tamiflu.

If you're trying to make a point that COVID-19 isn't as serious as it is, you are failing.

 

During WWII while the men were fighting overseas, women started going into the factories to work. More people were working than ever before in American history to win the war.

Putting people to work is diametrically opposed to forcing people to stay home. The latter will lead to increased alcohol, drug and child abuse....and suicide.



America works. It's what we do.

 

Do you believe the "official" tallies of China and India?

Do you believe the "official" tallies of the U.S.? Here, we are counting someone who died of a heart attack as a Covid death if they happened to test positive in the hospital. What if that person had an asymptomatic or mild symptom case, and wouldn't have ever sought medical help if not for the heart attack (or stroke, or kidney failure, diabetic shock, etc.) which put them in the hospital? Test positive? Covid death.

 

Now that was mean and uncharacteristic of you. I don't want all non-Trumpers to die. Many of them are family and friends.

 

Again those states are not isolated like Australia and receive a steady flow of infection from other states

 

So you won’t be happy until Covid deaths are far lower than flu deaths. Got it. Thanks for participating.

 

2000 per day.



Why can't you people just answer the OP without making fools of yourselves?

 

Anyone who died with the flu and Covid before we started testing in March was a flu death.
Anyone who died with the flu and Covid after we started testing in March was a Covid death.
Since April, the CDC suggested that medical examiners backtrack, test tissue samples, and change death certificates to "probable" Covid death, using their best judgment of course.

 

Difference is those that would continue the shutdown because if they don’t more people will die are basically saying the shutdown will continue until Covid is eradicated. That’s what I’m successfully pointing out here.

 

My point is the recent flu was just as deadly and we had no shutdown for it.

 

How many ?
Going by the Covidiots 500,000. Its a nice round number, solid.
We can do it, USA, USA, USA.
Get of your lard arses and get it done.

 

What if there are 500,000 Covid deaths, and when the 2020 annual totals are released, flu deaths, heart attacks, strokes, kidney failure and other "normal" deaths have decreased by 400,000?

 

Where did all the heart attack and stroke patients go? If they died at home and a tissue sample tests positive for Covid, they died of Covid at home.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthi...rs-as-heart-attack-stroke-patients-delay-care

"The fallout from such fear has concerned U.S. doctors for weeks while they have tracked a worrying trend: As the COVID-19 pandemic took hold, the number of patients showing up at hospitals with serious cardiovascular emergencies such as strokes and heart attacks shrank dramatically.

"It was very scary because it was so quiet," Dr. David Tashman, medical director of the ER at USC Verdugo Hills Hospital in Glendale, California, said about the early days of the outbreak.

"We normally see 100 patients a day, and then, you know, overnight, we were down to 30 or 40."

Some of that decrease in normal patient volume was deliberate."

 

But the weather should kill it..unless you're just saying ****

 

Yes many people are dying because they aren't going to the hospital

No they are NOT being counted as corvid deaths

But ya know how you figure the real cost of this thing?

You count excess deaths. This is not an uncommon thing. They figure average deaths for the same period in previous years and compare them to now.

And what they are finding is a BIG difference. Like double. Some of that difference is corvid directly...and some because people are getting the medical help they need...again BECAUSE of the virus but indirectly.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

About "excess deaths"

The number is probably 50% higher with a similar number of indirect deaths

 

Yes, they are counting anyone who tests positive as a Covid death by the CDC rules. Additional guidelines issued in April approved doctors and medical examiners to rule some deaths as Covid deaths even in the absence of a positive Covid test.

 

Again

 

A League of Their Own was on last night. Good flick. Good times... Aside from that Socialist FDR being in office.

 

No doubt Covid caused excess deaths in from March-current in New York City, since it was the U.S. epicenter. The virus did push a lot of people in nursing homes and people receiving in-home care over the edge and moved their demise up several months. That is happening across the country, which is why we needed to try to stretch the time out as long as possible, so those deaths accelerated for a few months by Covid didn't hit in one big wave and overwhelm the hospitals. I wouldn't be surprised to see below normal mortality from July-December. At some point, the virus will have picked off the weakest and frailest among us and the curve flattens, then decreases, no matter what the rest of us do.

 

Interesting history:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...dstock-take-place-middle-pandemic/3094481001/

 

The beginning of the unravelling of America: FDR and the Federal Reserve. By the end of the year, the Fed will likely own everything in America as it buys up our debt and then starts making us and future generations of taxpayer slaves repay them. That's called a "win" in the game of Monopoly.