How much more of the virus hoax can you take

Where is anyone being forced to go to work? They aren't, so would you care to revise that statement?

 

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When did you ever subsidized anyone? Come on give us a few figures 50$--100$--1000$--- yeah I'll have a guess, a big round zero.

 

4) areas with big illegal alien pop need to follow guidelines.

Well, Las Vegas is like 13th on the list so I hope you will follow your own recommendations.

 

I am pretty sure that a good part of my over $10,000 in taxes last year went towards subsidizing people. And then, we have given away around $30,000 this year to various relatives. Most in relation to this virus.

 

Long way of saying you are paid to sit at home.
Question, where do you believe unemployment benefits come from? Are they “paid for with honest work”?
Who are you to bash these people for doing exactly what you are doing?

My motive is that some people care more about their health and life than going back to work to serve others. Most of the people demanding the nation “get back to work” either profit off the labor of others or utilize the labor of others.

 

I was replying to the OP who suggested that the whole thing has been a hoax designed to destroy Trump. I was simply questioning how Trump could be playing along with all the restrictions if it was a hoax. Has he been bamboozled as well?

 

States that are cutting of UI for workers and then trying to pass legislation to make the employer not be responsible for virus infection are forcing people to return to work.

So no, I will not revise my statement.

 

It's horrifying.

Tragic and horrifying.

 

No one is forced to go to work.

If you have been laid off, and your employer asks you to come back to work, "just say no."

On top of that, if your employer is trying to get you to come back to work, and you are in that "at risk" group of people, for contracting and dying from this virus, and you think going back to work would create an unsafe working environment, you call OSHA.

No one is forced to go to work, not unless they are in the US military.

 

They are not doing exactly what I am doing. I have paid for my retirement. If they have sufficient money coming in so that they can retire without working, then more power to them. I am nearly 83. There is not much in the way of physical work that I can do. I can still use my brain, but that it not apt to produce much in the way material goods required for civilization to continue.

You were saying what my motives are. You have no way to know what my motives are.

 

This is false.
If a state removes their “disaster” declaration businesses no longer qualify for numerous state and federal programs or insurances — thus they must reopen and recall employees. Once an employee is recalled and they refuse they are cut off from UI in most states.

You could argue it is an unsafe working condition but in the interim you lose any source of income and these processes are notoriously slow.
Most people simply cannot do that.

 

The lawyers would make a fortune off of suing the employers. In general, there is no way to know how they were infected, but they will spend years in court trying to make their case.

 

Except they are, you are drawing off of social security insurance (plus any self funded or company funded retirement plans) and they are are drawing from unemployment insurance which is paid just for instances like this.

Different programs, same purpose

I misread your previous statement.
My point still stands however.

 

Which is why the federal government and several states are trying to push legislation that would protect employers. They know the risks, they just don’t care.

 

So it's true, no one is forced to go to work, they can refuse. Thanks for clearing that up.

Will they lose UE compensation, probably, because government is great at setting up impossible conditions, with their knee-jerk declarations. Politicians and bureaucrats don't give a crap if the people suffer from their inept actions. Government simply waves their hand and forces businesses to close because of the virus.

Now we have people out of work, no paycheck coming in, waiting on the slow UE office to play catch up.

Yes it sucks, but that's government for you.

Yes some people will not feel safe going back to work if the mitigation standards at work will not protect them. If they refuse to go back to an unsafe work environment, based upon this, the inept state will take away their UE compensation.

OSHA does have a process set up for unsafe work conditions. It will take time before the law catches up and reimburses the person filing the complaint, but that is just how our slow bureaucracy works.

In the end, no one is forced to go to work in this country.

 

I do not have a problem with unemployment insurance. However, subsidy checks went out that had nothing to do with unemployment checks. In fact, I got one and I haven't paid into unemployment in over twenty years.

 

it is not a problem of not caring. It is a problem of an employee suing his employer for catching the virus when the employer might have none to little to do with it.

 

If the choice is death or work — there is no choice. There is no option

 

It's certainly beginning to look that way.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...suade-president-trump-lock-entire-us-economy/

 

Get off it already. If I no longer want t work at some place, I don't have to. No one is forced, just stop already.

Just make your concerns clear to your employer. File your complaint with OSHA, and do not go to a job if you think it might mean your death.

 

30 million people + are unemployed, it isn’t as simple as going to another employer
There are already reports from restaurants reopening that are denying their employees from wearing masks — I don’t think some of the employers will care what concerns are made clear.
I have yet to see guidance from OSHA saying they will intervene.

That is forced participation

 

The trump checks had nothing to do with unemployment. I agree though, they shouldn’t have been issued.

 

Some people need them. However, they just sent them out to whoever filed an income tax report which means a lot of people got them that did not need them. However, for all practical purposes, I sent mine onto someone else.

 

If an employer recalling them and causing the cancellation of their UI I would argue it is absolutely their fault.

 

At what point do you think the shut down should stop? It appears that you want it to continue until there is no further risk and that is never going to happen.