Hows your global warming?

Should be half summer by now but their is feet of snow and its freezing balls tundra out there..

 

So far this April is one of the coldest on record. How is this possible in the face of so called global warming. Warming means warmer not record cold.

 

it was the most ingenious of marketing ploys. Global warming wasn't working too well, because temperatures weren't necessarily going up. So by changing the name to encompass EVERYTHING, it allows for them to NEVER be wrong. Its like Hurricane models. Theres is a model for nearly every path a storm can take, so whenever it hits, a model predicted it...so you can NEVER be wrong. Doesn't matter that you can be wrong up to 24hrs before it hits land, but since you predicted it would indeed hit land somewhere, you're right. Its brilliant!!! What a job, where a blind monkey can toss darts at a board and be correct more often.

 

Well, its going.

 

Ahh for the good ole days when climate didn't change. Refresh my memory, when was that again?

 

Are you saying GLOBALLY April is the coldest on record?

 

In my little corner of the world, we've had snow, twice in April so far, and tonight looks like yet another freeze warning (5th so far this month) which is very unusual. We have also set several new lowest high temps records. As have so many other parts of the region. As none of the predictive models predicted this, it begs the question of why the did not. I would assert that the models are not designed to be dynamic, but only ever create data based on the conclusions of the model methodology which prebuilds in an expectation of incremental warming.

What I find amusing though is this idea that the warming faithful shrug off their increasingly obvious failure to actually predict based on their models as their models so often now fail to correctly predict even the most short terms of weather. One observation is that a more moderated, less diverse temperature distribution (which is the result of "warming") would tend toward producing these kind of dynamic variations. So, why have these models failed?

 

I fail to see the problem. All of the negative stuff about climate change won't happen for decades. Let's kick the can down the road and party on.

 

Climate change / global warming is not something that measured month to month, locally or regionally. If you are not looking at the entire earth over decades, you don't know what the hell you are doing! The polar ice and the glaciers have definitely melted in recent decades. Global warming certainly seems to be happening, and I understand that it is happening much faster than a "normal" climate change, which strongly suggests that mankind may have something to do with it.

Global warming with significant sea rise affecting coastal cities, Florida, agriculture, inhabitable areas would be a disaster. If we can limit global warming, we need to do it to protect our world as we know it.

 

The Earth will be fine. It's gone through a lot worse changes than anything mankind can do to it. OTOH, mankind might have a few problems. No matter. It's evolution; adapt or die.

 

Neither do climatologists for their predictive models fail. So, not enough understanding.

Not saying climate does not change, for that is what it does, naturally. And not saying co2 does not have an effect, for it probably does. Just that I doubt the understanding is sufficient to make doomsday predictions is all. Anyways it is possible that the overall benefit could out weigh the downsides. Truth is, we do not know. But for some reason this will not be admitted.

The way that I understand the cycle is that eventually the northern polar ice will be gone, naturally, or mostly gone. And that happens with or without man introduced co2. If it happens a little sooner, so what? Anyways if gov'ts were really concerned about it as well as environmentalists, we would have a world wide effort to add flora and to stop rain forest deforestation. That this is not happening raises questions and supports the anti man made climate change folks. So, no carbon tax to redistribute more income, forget about anything else that might help combat it. It looks rather suspect to lots of people as it should. Of course the alarmists always ignore this fact. And that makes them look suspect as well.

 

Haven't you heard:

too much snow = global warming
not enough snow = global warming
too cold = global warming
too warm = global warming
sun rises, or sets = global warming

 

We may be heading into another Little Ice Age, but the news media and science community is making a lot of money pushing global warming.

Scientists Say Sun Will Be Cooler By 2050, Warn Of Mini Ice Age

According to a study by the University of California San Diego, the sun will begin to have diminished magnetism, fewer sunspots, and produce less ultraviolet radiation starting in 2020. The event, known as the “grand minimum,” is reportedly triggered at random points by fluctuations in the sun’s magnetic field and is expected to last for about 50 years.

Researchers are comparing the sun’s upcoming cooling cycle to the last recorded sunspot outage which occurred over 300 years ago. Called the Maunder Minimum, the drop-off in sunspot activity took place from 1645 to 1715 and was part of a period known as the “Little Ice Age.” That cold spell is believed to have lasted from 1300 to 1850 and saw a huge expansion in mountain glaciers as well as large portions of Europe frozen solid.

 

AGW seems to be one of those scientific fashions that will abate, much like solar activity. We'll have to give it a few years of course, but soon, AGW will be as alien as Eugenics....

 

I would never assent to what I know to be a fraud. Think about this, Al Gore says they we all need to pay a penalty for our " carbon footprint". The bigger the footprint the more you pay, the bigger the alleged "polluter" the bigger the charge. So what they're saying is, pollute all you want so long as you fill our coffers. It is a mob style attack on capitalism but it doesn't stop there it also includes every set of aspiring lungs in the country. They're telling us that we pollute with every breath we take and therefore we must also pay. How do they decide what you pay? This is what it's all about, the government's intrusion into corporate and private lives. They already regulate corporations and now they're coming after us. You'll have to report in minutia everything you consume, everything. The number of family members, the size of your house the number of cars and the make and model, how much energy you use, how much water you use, how much food you eat, the clothes you buy and on and on. If for some reason you cannot find the time to keep track of all of this stuff the government will penalize you with an estimated bill that will be high enough to convince you to be a better bookkeeper. This is a Marxist Progressive wet dream. You couldn't possibly keep track of that much data without growing the government which by the way would increase their consumption, who pays for that? This is the fundamental change that Obama was talking about in his election night speech in 2008. Fortunately for us Obama was more interested in vacations and golf but did manage to amass an army of useful idiots to promote his agenda. We are all being played by this progressive juggernaut as recently evidenced by the exposing of questionable practices at Facebook. We are being invaded from within and the more the government knows about you the more you unwittingly give up your freedom. As I said before, everybody on this forum is a climate expert. Just remember that this is something the real experts cannot find a consensus on and that coincidentally those who say it's bunk are not beholden to anyone. One last thing, the green folks are so pious about what they are doing for the environment so why is it huge swaths of woodlands are being cleared to house solar farms?

 

Ah...so you're talking about something that doesn't currently exist. Got it.

 

My favorite baseball team (the Chicago Cubs) has been playing in sleet and snow this month. I don't think they've had a home game over 40 degrees.

I guess this is climate change.

 

Oh but it does you're just not paying attention. Every time you make a purchase with plastic you create a record. Every time you have an emissions test on your car you create a record. If you have a transponder in your car for toll roads they are keeping track of more than your distance to a pay point. They're working on using that data for a mileage tax in many states and soon will make it mandatory for every vehicle to have a factory installed transponder. Think of all of the things you do with your phone and other "Smart" devices. If it makes you feel more secure to deny these things that's you're business.

 

Sigh...Christ. I was referring to the penalties levied by the govt. You were taking about how you believe that will happen. That isn’t happening, in the context you were taking about.

 

most of the USA is experiencing warmer than average temps

 

It’s not Chicago climate change. It’s GLOBAL climate change.

 

The one thing I have noticed is that almost all the highest temperatures in my area have occurred in the 2000's. Strange that...