Hows your global warming?

Your judgement about global warming is based on a very limited duration of time and very limited area. Therefore, your comment is irrelevant. (I hope that the Cubs have done well in spite of the weather.)

 

funny how some folks keep denying the data

 

Let me start out by saying that I have no interest in getting into yet another debate about the existence or lack therein of anthropogenic global warming. We have all been there and done that, and I have zero desire to go down that rabbit hole right now. Instead, I am replying to your implication that the above scenarios save us money and thus are a win/win regardless of where one falls on the global warming issue.

-Whether or not an energy efficient product saves me money is not as simple as calculating the cost for energy. You have to consider the potential added production cost, decreased output, and decreased life expectancy among other factors that often accompanies higher energy efficiency products. These factors will be different across different products, so there is not one clear cut answer. I know for myself, we just had to replace a 3 year old dishwasher, because the cost to repair exceeded the value of purchasing a new one. The repairman specifically said that dishwashers made in the last 5 years that comply with the newest energy requirements have been breaking down quite frequently, and that plain and simple their lifespan is far shorter than to what we have been accustomed. He also said that this same concept applies to new refrigerators. The days of these appliances lasting 15 or 20 years are over.

To me, I would much rather have a dishwasher with a longer lifespan as opposed to the relatively insignificant savings I realize in energy cost for the shorter lasting energy efficient models. If you happen to believe that man made global warming is the bain of society, you may perhaps calculate the cost benefit differently and conclude that the shorter lifespan is worth it due to the collective decreased carbon output. I am all for saving money through increased efficiency, but only if that increased efficiency overcomes the other financial considerations. You cannot summarily conclude that ALL of these energy efficient products are therefore a net financial gain.

- Higher fuel efficiency in automobiles, among other things, comes at the expense of significantly higher production costs due to lightweight materials, as well as a significant reduction in size. Whether or not this helps me financially is a function of the added cost, the cost of gas and the accompanying savings, along with how much value I place on the size of the vehicle I drive. Once again, you cannot summarily conclude that higher fuel efficiency benefits me financially.

- I dont think too many people are claiming that recycling paper and plastic is a function of global warming. It is a function of ecology and the reduction of pollution, which is a much different subject that is only tangentially related to global warming.

 

says the crowd wasting energy on something as inane as posting on the internet. Show us you arent hypocrites and stop wasting energy. Oh wait you wont because its ok for you guys to waste energy but not others right? Save us the hypocritical bs.

 

Yes, I heard a little about this recently. Of course, not sure anything that might affect the warming will be met with happiness from the hysterical doomsday crowd.

I liked what Dyson said about the consequences of climate change, the earth warming up slightly. He said it very well may be a good thing for humanity as a whole, and not the doomsday hysterics coming from the Left. He then said, we just do not know. But it might be that we get more positives than negatives from a warming. If we just go by the past, indeed a warming climate was very beneficial to humanity, although it came with negatives as well, but the positives out weighed the negatives.

Yet if you had to choose between a warming climate or a cooling climate, think the next ice age, the warming climate is a hands down winner in so far as human life is concerned. And the science does tell us that the climate of the earth cycles, with or without humanity being here. We should therefore expect the climate to change, to warm up, until the northern ice cap is relatively gone. And this is without co2 levels being involved, caused by man. This needs to be considered when discussing climate change, yet the hysterics seem to make it a factor not worthy of debate.

IMO, if this was such an important thing, the co2 levels creating accellerated warming, and the future of humanity was at risk, we would certainly see other methods of addressing it, like adding billions of tons of co2 loving flora, world wide land management, and the end of rain forest deforestation, even if it took the militaries of the world to enforce it. The absence of this is an incoherence. As I said, this is highly suspect, and suspicious. Only carbon taxation, which sends more income to the top, has ever been pushed for. If that kind of money could be made from land management, and the ending of deforestation, do ya think it would be not only talked about, but pushed by the UN and western gov'ts? ha ha. Of course it would!!

So, if we cannot send more of the money to the top, into the hands of the few, then we seem to want to take our toys and go home. ha ha. To hell with global warming and what it is prophesied to yield, unless a few can become richer by addressing it. This is in fact the reality which we are looking at. And yet the Left refuse to even think about it. They just call the people who suspect a ruse, science deniers. So clearly, the Left is not really concerned about the future, at all. One has to admit this to be a fact, and observation which will not go away.

 

I love yanking lib chains.

 

Ok. If that's what you're into. I'm not judging. Do you ever let them yank your chain? Again, I'm not judging...just curious.

 

You're being very, very silly.

Your feigned concern for someone somewhere "wasting energy" in no way impacts the scientific reality of anthropogenic climate change and the need to take responsibility for it.

"We can't take any steps to reduce our industry's gas emissions
because you farted yesterday, Whipple!"​

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dude keep wasting energy...it just proves my point. Maybe you could explain how you arent wasting energy posting inane things on an internet forum.

 

Not nearly fast enough for me. The chances of being able to plant palm trees in the back yard before I die are next to nothing.

 

Do you get winded typing? Unless one gets winded typing on a keyboard I don't really believe they are wasting energy. It's not like we have a small amount of energy to expend in a day. I think he'll be fine.

 

The United States represents about 2% of the total surface area of the Earth. Meanwhile the other 98% is running well above normal right now.

 

you realize how the internet works right?

 

The global mean temperature is going up. And computer models happen to be doing quite well. In fact, as of 2017 computer models are nearly spot on with observations.

Completely false. You are almost certainly misinterpreting what you saw. Computer models do not predict every possible path. The NHC relies heavily on a blend of the world's best computer models for tropical cyclone tracks and adjusts their cone of uncertainty such that the track will fall within it 66% of the time using the last 5 years of track errors. This cone of uncertainty has been shrinking every year. The NHC just announced the new cone dimensions for this year. It shrunk by a 6% in a single year and over 30% in the last 5 years. The fact is that computer models forecast tropical cyclone tracks very well and they are continuing to improve.

 

Here, west of Chicago, we had an inch of snow last night, but it melted off as the day struggled above freezing. Heard on TV that there have been a record number of record lows in the country this April.

 

See my post above. The global mean temperature as of 2017 is tracking in the dead center of the model envelop.

Did you know that the first prediction of CO2's warming affect was published in 1896 using empirical data collected from laboratory experiments? It's actually an astonishing prediction considering it is very close to the contemporary estimates we have today and was done without the knowledge of quantum mechanics or the aid of computers. We know for an absolute fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and we have very high confidence in our estimates of it's warming influence. Admittedly there is a lot we don't fully understand yet, but we have enough understanding that we can say with high confidence that the net effect of all climate forcing mechanisms both natural and anthroprogenic will result in continued warming for the foreseeable future.

 

The metropolitan area of Chicago is said to be 28,000 sq km. The Earth is about 510,000,000 sq km. That means it is 0.005% of the total area of Earth. What do you think the other 99.995% of Earth is doing?

 

To further this point in the United States record highs are outpacing record lows by a huge margin. By some metrics it is an astonishing imbalance of 10-to-1.

http://www.climatecentral.org/galle...-are-dramatically-outpacing-daily-record-lows

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/49/13977.full?sid=22befc54-f024-426c-9fdd-78d597577410

 

So, you're saying it's on fire? You would think I could see the smoke.

 

The global mean temperature is running well above the 30 yr climatological average month-to-date for April 2018 despite your backyard being really cold.

 

Oh, the libs here yank my chain very frequently, but not in the way I think you mean.

 

Oh so you were referring to him wasting energy because he’s on the internet. Um...aren’t YOU on the internet? D’oh!

 

The first RV I ever saw must have been custom made for Vic Morrow of TV fame. So plush it was amazing. I looked inside it around 1966 I believe.

 

Fine if that actually explained it. Fine if you add important proof.

http://www.windalert.com/spot/51195

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/Forecasts/FZUS52.KMFL.html

 

yeah buddy keep up...im not the one wailing about global warming