Hugo Chavez, Venezuelan President, Dead at 58

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

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    he died a billionaire. socialism isn't for the socialist.
     
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    What i wrote in that thread is pure balance. Muslims violate the christian balance in Europe, by sending them back
    to their 52 countries you improve balance.

    Do not take it personally unless you're an illegal immigrant arab in Europe. Are you ?
     
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    Huh ? you dont expect his enemies "American Thinker" Hehehe- to praise him , do you ? Just unsubstantiated American allegations +- scurrilous lies.
    Heres' how the rest of the world see Chavez :
    Before Chavez American companies exploited Venezualas resourses never utture a single word against the injustices suffered by the masses , all America cared about was profits

    IN DEATH THIS DEMOCRAT WILL BE CALLED A DICTATOR , DONT FALL IT. . The do that to any leader who stood up against america.

    Hugo Chavez was a democrat, not a dictator, and showed a progressive alternative to neo-liberalism is both possible and popular The President's death will be mourned by millions of Venezuelans - and rightly so
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    If you want to learn about human rights in Venezuela before Hugo Chavez, type “Caracazo” into Google, and do so with a strong stomach. Back in 1989, then-President Carlos Andrés Pérez won an election on a fiery platform of resisting free-market dogma: the IMF was “a neutron bomb that killed people, but left buildings standing,” he proclaimed.

    But after safely making it to the presidential palace, he dramatically u-turned, unleashing a programme of privatisation and neo-liberal shock therapy. With gas subsidies removed, petrol prices soared, and impoverished Venezuelans took to the streets. Soldiers mowed protesters down with gunfire. Up to 3,000 perished, a horrifying death toll up there with the Tienanmen Square Massacre – in a country with a population 43 times smaller.

    It was his abortive coup attempt against Pérez's murderous, rampantly corrupt government in 1992 that launched Chavez to prominence. Though locked away, Chavez became an icon for Venezuela's long-suffering poor. By the time he won a landslide victory in 1998 on a promise to use the country's vast oil wealth to help the poor, Venezuela was a mess. Per capita income had collapsed to where it had been in the early 1960s. One in three Venezuelans lived on less than $2 a day. Oil revenues were squandered.

    Over the coming days, you will be repeatedly told that Hugo Chavez was a dictator. A funny sort of dictator: there have been 17 elections and referenda since 1998. Perhaps you think they were rigged. When he won by a huge margin in 2006, former US President Jimmy Carter was among those declaring he had won “fairly and squarely”.

    At the last election in October 2012, Carter declared that, “of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.” I was there: perhaps you think I was like those hopelessly naïve Western leftists who visited Potemkin villages in Stalinist Russia.

    I was with a genuinely independent election commission, staffed with both pro-Chavez and anti-Chavez sympathisers, who had previously been invited by the opposition to run their own internal elections. We met with senior opposition figures who railed against Chavez, but acknowledged that they lived in a democracy. When they lost the election, they accepted it.

    Social justice

    Indeed, Chavez himself has had to accept defeat before: back in 2007, he lost a referendum campaign, and did not quibble with the results. Until he came to power, millions of poor Venezuelans were not even registered to vote: but dramatic registration drives have nearly doubled the electorate. There are 6,000 more polling stations than there were in the pre-Chavez era.

    On the other hand, the democratic credentials of many of his opponents can certainly be questioned. In 2002, a Pinochet-style coup was launched against Chavez, and was only reversed by a popular uprising. Much of the privately owned media openly incited and supported the coup: imagine Cameron was kicked out of No 10 by British generals, with the support and incitement of rolling 24-hour news stations.

    But Venezuela's media is dominated by private broadcasters, some of whom make Fox News look like cuddly lefties. State television could rightly be accused of bias towards the government, which is perhaps why it has a measly 5.4 per cent audience share. Of seven major national newspapers, five support the opposition, and only one is sympathetic to the government.

    The truth is that Chavez won democratic election after democratic election, despite the often vicious hostility of the media, because his policies transformed the lives of millions of previously ignored Venezuelans. Poverty has fallen from nearly half to 27.8 per cent, while absolute poverty has been more than halved. Six million children receive free meals a day; near-universal free health care has been established; and education spending has doubled as a proportion of GDP.

    A housing programme launched in 2011 built over 350,000 homes, bringing hundreds of thousands of families out of sub-standard housing in thebarrios.

    Some of his smug foreign critics suggest Chavez effectively bought the votes of the poor – as though winning elections by delivering social justice is somehow bribery.


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    But have no doubt: Chavez was a democratically elected champion of the poor. His policies lifted millions out of abject poverty and misery. He represented a break from years of corrupt regimes with often dire human rights records. His achievements were won in the face of an attempted military coup, an aggressively hostile media, and bitter foreign critics. He demonstrated that it is possible to resist the neo-liberal dogma that holds sway over much of humanity. He will be mourned by millions of Venezuelans – and understandably so.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ism-is-both-possible-and-popular-8522329.html
     
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    Remember the good _ + Get those feet tapping :

    [video=youtube;oYrYM_C7NpU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYrYM_C7NpU[/video]
     
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    What you wrote on that thread sounded like a rants from an UNBALANCED MIND.

    You ran away when I asked :

    I dont suppose your'e aware you was immitating the worse racist Nazis of 70 yrs ago

    I asked you where your home was , you've not answered .

    Hmmm.

    my ancestry was already posted on one of the threads - look it up - I see no need to repeat it.

    No - I'm not an - immigrant - Arab -muslim - or any other kind.

    Since you wont tell where your home is Hmmm - I take it ,you're not going to tell whether you're a JEW - a Mischling, or some other breed.

    ....

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    Give me your Phone number.. I'll call & tell you....

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    Self-denial ?:wink:
     
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    Not a single Jewish leader anywhere, ever, in all of political history, can hold a candle to this man. He is what leaders should be like, but his nature, and their nature, are like the difference between day and night.

    Indeed, you pretty much cannot go wrong using this rough measure - if Israel, Jewish leaders, or their goy puppets say someone is bad or evil, reverse it, chances are, the person will be charitable and good. If they say someone is good, then chances are, the person will be a good liar, or a good thief, or a good apologist for genocide.

    If they demonise a nation, chances are, the nation is good.

    If they herald a nation, chances are the nation is corrupt, and marinates in their scat.

    Also, I read many years ago (will try to find it and send it), a warning which stated that lest certain men start dying from 'cancers', the root cause of it would not be a natural occurence, but artifically induced.

    But, of course, that could never be true.

    For it to be true, there would have to be a long interest in biological and chemical weapons, by the most evil nations on earth.

    There would have to be some sort of historcial framework that these nations have used experminents on other humans, including their own people.

    And we all know neither of those things are true.

    Right?
     
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    I know what you are . so - F - O
     
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    Good riddance. Maybe the people can move on out of the era of fascism that have hindered progression of the Venezuelan people... I doubt it will happen though as the regime will just throw another d-bag into power.
     
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    How fraternal.

    Did the Masons teach you that?
     
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    Nope, my disdain for Hugo existed prior to my affiliation with the Masons.
     
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    It doesn't matter.

    A man dies of cancer, I cannot take any pleasure from that.

    If you have nothing good to say, why say anything in this case?
     
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    I hope the best for the people. I care nothing for dictators.
     
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    ironically, if he had gone to Miami instead of Havana, he'd probably be alive and cancer free.

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    give me billions and i'll throw some scraps to the peasants too.
     
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    May I expand and include all political SOB's

    (wink)

    Mlre often as not - what we in the West - call "democracy " is nothing more thatn the dictatorship of the - brainwashed/duped/stupified - majority, against + ignoring the plight /wishes of the deprived -(lower [-classed -disadvantaged etc ) minority.


    ??? ?? - think about it instead of merely repeating what your mind controllers -drummed into you .
    ..
     
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    Well - I'm not at all surprised at your insatiable greed , - low standards , and inability to understand people with higher standards.


    IMO Chavez was a better being than the likes of you.

    Go ask formerly impoverish Venezuelans who today enjoy a higher standard of living..


    byeee...

    But if you're anoter one of those who who're willing to defend the finacil bloodsucking Yankee gringo SOB - b'***** , that's your choice , butb dont expect everyone else to be that Stew - peed ?


    byee...
     
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    How many people got dead because they said something Hugo disagreed with?
     
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    Off the cuff - I'd say , not as many as those who challenged - american govr=ts domination/interference - by its various devious methods - in other nations politics.

    please remove your blinkers , Go learn - widen your understanding of international affairs.

    Start by sending /dumping everything your govt + US media ever told you - to the refuse bin..

    You've been lied to. - howoften have you checked what your MS media reported an told you to believe ?

    .. byeeee.
     
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    You got stats that didn't come out of some fascist's underwear?
     
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    mikezila is alive, Hugo the thief is dead.

    we'd have to find one first.


    if only we were that lucky.

    been at the sauce again? that would explain your altered perception of reality.
     
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    No proof that he was a thief. -

    Nevertheless , everyone _gets to be dead " each soul must taste death - including you and I .

    None of us can excape the grim reaper. Your time will also come. ( hehehe )

    Frankly , I'm more concerned about much bigger theives - those Jewish thieves - robbing us ,. stealing our money - + American taxpayers - and stealing Palestinian lands .

    Those SOB's are without doubt the world's craftiest thieves wh'v'e somehow managed to con many in the west to feel sorry for them.

    ....
     
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    how else does one become a billionaire on a government salary?

    not this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) again!? what the (*)(*)(*)(*) happened to you people? you act like some Jewish kid (*)(*)(*)(*)ed your prom date or his sister laughed at your teenie weenie. :no:

    oh noes! the Jooooos! the Joooos!
     

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