I am all in favor of banning guns (for criminals first, including government crimina)

Criminals are already prohibited from possessing firearms.

So what is your point? To enact laws that not only bar the criminals but also the law abiding? For the misuse of 0.0004% of America's firearms?

Really?

Amusing.

 

If you read post #61 you would see I do have my doubts.

 

I have seen bears, bear sign, and friends have seen mountain lions.

Your experience does not have any influence on why I may feel the need to carry a firearm in the mountains.

 

I have seen bears, bear sign, and friends have seen mountain lions.

Your experience does not have any influence on why I may feel the need to carry a firearm in the mountains.

 

What I say is the truth, come to the south and look next to any remote water source you will find a cotton-mouth rather quickly.(the snakes I have killed were around my house the risk they might bite my children was the only reason I killed them) While I will admit I did not send the suspected rabid animals out for testing a skunk or grey fox that charges you in broad daylight is more than likely rabid. While we are disbelieving what the other one says, I doubt you have hiked the number of miles you claim. I can see by your signature you feel reckless driving is the most dangerous crime, yet have seen you post about crime rates of the different minority groups claiming they were more dangerous than "whites". In my experience young "white" males are by far the most reckless drivers(NASCAR I assume the cause) so could you clear up that hypocrisy for me?

 

I pretty much agree with 99% of this. However, I disagree with including the training in the school curriculum. I feel like it would be as if we are training our children how to kill and it would likely even make kids more inclined to want to acquire weapons. But I wholeheartedly agree with requiring mandatory training for firearm owners. In the training session, I would also include required psychological evaluations to make sure only the mentally healthy can own guns.

 

Most people go to gun shows not the classifieds. Maybe you go to the local street thug and buy hot guns out of the trunk of a car.

Actually because I have a CC I no longer have to do the background check

 

Gun education would be similar to driver education. However, actual gun usage would not be taught. Like I said, it would be part of an attitude adjustment. The curriculum would be taught lecture style.

 

I am. The first post I made on this thread was banning guns is worthless. Like making marijuana or alcohol illegal, banning guns leads to organized crime, other criminal offenses, and increased product risk.

 

Murder rate per 100,000 (2010):

NYC; gun laws are about as strict as it gets - 6.4
Memphis; far more relaxed gun laws - 13.2

To mention Chicago or DC without mentioning NYC is dishonest at best.

Hell, the city I live in (upstate ny) has a higher murder rate than NYC, and far less gun restrictions.

There's more factors at play then just saying gun laws = more violent crime.

All that being said, I support gun ownership, although understand different municipalities have different circumstances.

 

Fact remains that you lied when you said all gun sales require a background check.

 

HAHAHA. What good has driver ed done?. People drive crazy. They all speed and drive drunk and text-drive. They know it's wrong and dangerous to them and others but the penalties are so light, they don't care. The only answer to gun and car recklessness is severe penalties, but we don't do that.

 

Many states have strengthened drunk driving laws. Speeding laws are a different manner. Furthermore, I also agree with harsh penalties for improper gun usage. A combination of approaches can be greatly effective in limiting recklessness.

 

Please send me some of whatever you're smoking. And be sure to call us when the shuttle lands.

 

It simple really. Americans are conditioned by what passes for their "culture" to use guns.

It is simply fashionable to shoot people.

And urinate on them afterwards.

 

You are correct. This is why banning guns would not go well. The need for guns would simply be driven underground, just like what happened when alcohol was made illegal, and since marijuana has largely been designated as illegal. Doing so would not only lead to organized crime, but greater gun deaths.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong. You (collective) think it's not OK for convicted felons to vote but it is OK for them to carry a gun?

Wow...

 

This is not any question oif being in favor of.This isn't some menu at a
restaurant where someone might not like Fish ... Pal.
This is a Constitutionally guaranteed Right.
Have you any understanding of that.That what we have in this Country.
We have Our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It's what makes us who we are.I realize that with this new crop of
juvenile adults running around wanting to invent new definitions for stuff
like " Marriage ". But this isn't an episode of - Twilight Zone - thar Pal.

 

I'm against the banning of guns.

Guns are extremely valuable survival equipment in America. Guns elevate the ability of a person to hunt, which makes them more independent of the corporate food system. I know that guns come with drawbacks and can make things more dangerous, you have to be realistic about that; but they also make things much, much safer in other ways. I grew up in Alaska where it would have been irresponsible not to keep weapons around the house, because you really might need to get your hands on them at any second in order to protect the lives of your family from the local wildlife.

And, deep down, I think that people have to have a right to be dangerous to each other. Yes, guns can make tragedies out of what might have otherwise been minor incidents. Yes, you might spill oil out of that tanker and ruin an ecosystem. Yes, you might use that computer to hack something. Yes, that song might spark a revolution. Doing those things might be wrong, and safeguards should be in place, but you can't take the capacity to harm humans away from humans. We are all dangerous to each other. We're all apex predators. To try to deny us that right is to deny us a strange but vital part of our humanity. All of those things are connected. The right to be offensive to each other is part of the right to be dangerous to each other. I believe in peace and safety, but they're not the highest priorities.

And so, I don't think we should ban guns.

 

You know, I don't really have a problem with guns until I read something like this.

Agreed, I don't believe wasting money on laws will help people with this kind of attatude.

Guns are NOT necessary as survival equipment, they are merely the most convenient form of damage dealing devices you can carry. They also elevate the capacity of a 2yo child to kill, so if that’s what people need to survive, then they do not deserve to survive.

The fact is Native Americans survived with all the same wild dangers for thousands of years without the need or even access to guns, and they learned how to hunt without much effort, because they could actually use their brains to do the job.

Realistically having a gun in your house elevates your chances of getting shot by it. It can jam and backfire, it can go off and hit you or someone in your family when you don’t expect it to, it can fall into the hands of a family member having a mental crisis or a grudge against someone else, it can get found or taken away from you by an intruder and used against you and your family, it can be stolen and used against someone you never even met, and finally, if you ever get depressed and in a drunken stupor, you might see it as an easy way to end it all.

All of that is worth the “chance” you could use it to “defend” your self and family? That’s safer? I do not agree.

I’ve spent about half my life in Colorado and half of it here in Washington state, I’ve gone into some of the most remote parts, I’ve seen cougars, grizzlies, moose, elk, bison, wolves, wolverines, and a few things I don’t even know what are, and in all these years I never had to take a gun.

I have my 24” knife and my pepper spray, that’s all I need. I’ve had some pretty close encounter with some pretty big animals, and the pepper spray has been quite effective in dealing with them. I don’t have to kill them, I don’t have to maim them, they go on their way and I go on mine.

My point is it’s easy to make excuses as to why someone needs a gun, but most of them boil down to fear. If I were that afraid of living in a place like Alaska. I would leave.

This is where I strongly disagree. People should not have the right to pose a threat to everyone around them simply because they are afraid of everything all the time. This is exactly the attitude that poses the problem with the guns, because guns are EFFORTLESS instruments of death, they have only 2 real functions, to kill & maim, and to pose the threat of killing and maiming.

You cannot even say that about an ax or a knife or a club. A gun is NOT a vital part of our humanity, we lived for thousands of years without them and we could do so again, so that is just another philosophical excuse. I am tired of seeing people make excuses for it.

Well then I intend to be offensive as hell and point out how lazy and cowardly those view points are. They are nothing more than a way to justify a perceptibly flawed behavioral problem and try to gain acceptance.

If a gun is your crutch, cast it aside and learn to walk without it. Otherwise, I would say it’s nothing more than a replacement for a security blanket.

There is no real connection between all that other garbage and a gun.

Still agreed, I don't think we should ban guns either, but we should ban whoever taught you all that rubbish.
Maybe this guy?

 

Yes, great idea!
Take the government away from the guns.