I believe Abraham said "good son and good Prophet" to The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

And....... I personally am wide open to the theory that Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua travelled to India as well as Tibet previous to beginning his ministry in Judaea.....and he may have been taught many aspects of healing....while he was in India?!


http://community.humanityhealing.ne...rgod/forum/topics/rabbi-jesus-yeshua-in-india



Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua in India???!!!
Posted by Dennis Tate on July 30, 2013 at 10:57am in Jesus Great Teacher or God?
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Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua in INDIA!!!!??? I first ran into the idea of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua travelling to India in the writings of Levi Dowling. Now I have found what I consider to be an even better writing on this fascinating subject.

http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html

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The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi Dowling states that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua learned much of his healing gifts in India!

CHAPTER 23

http://reluctant-messenger.com/aquarian_gospel_022_028.htm

 

You may think you have the mind of Christ... and that's nice. Dennis never claimed this so I will let him speak for himself.

Not sure what your mission is but you are being not giving yourself enough kudo's. You claim to speak for God in that God reveals the true meaning of scripture to you. Not sure what your definition is but that qualifies you as a Prophet in my books.

 

Interesting stuff Dennis. Was a bit freaky reading about that fellows NDE. "The question" still haunts (not quite the right word but will go with it) me to this day. Fortunately I did not have to come back to a wrecked body. Went to sleep with a ridiculously high fever ( life threatening) German Measles and in the morning it was gone. Never had that fear of the other side that I see in others. I suppose the unknown is not so unknown.

Still question whether or not it was just a really messed up dream but I was only about 8 or 9 and television did not exist back then (or black and white with one channel) so nowhere for the ideas for the dream to come "into the light and so on". The weirdest thing though was "The Question" where would that come from ?

I have not really studied NDE at all really. Had my own so why bother. Seen a snippet of programs here and there while flipping the channel so have heard the "into the light" part a few times. Not sure if I have heard anyone describe "the question" before though. Perhaps once ... cant remember.

Do you have any background on the Aquarian Gospel ... when it was written and stuff ?

One thing I will say in relation to the Bible stories. I think some may have been inspired. One thing I got from the NDE is that I can not tell you what God is like .

What I do think however is that I may some idea of what God is not. This is why I do not buy into the baby killing, contradictory, God of the OT complete with the most petty of human flaws.

 

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Giftedone.... I had a whole bunch of questions for you based on your previous questions..... but you pretty well answered all of them.

I immediately get the impression...… that like myself......… you would be astonished by the NDE book by Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.

After reading pages forty to sixty of this book I gave up on the Virgin Birth Theory in favor of the Holy Spirit probably overshadowing Mary/ Myriam.... and telling her to go sleep with her husband Joseph..... several months previous to when the Jewish authorities of that time would allow..... because frankly..... by our standards they were already married.......... but had to abstain from sex for a year or so after already getting married!?

Well........ The Word/ Logos who spoke to Moses is above the rules of humans.... especially ones that are added in a way that makes life extremely difficult.

Giftedone..... Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua had an identical twin brother..... Judas Didymus Thomas (Doubting Thomas) The Twin.......


http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html

Background to The Thomas Book
©by Bruce

 

Apparently.... a man named Levi Dowling.... by the time is around forty can control the out of the body state.... and can visit the Akashic Records..... which is kind of like a massive DVD library of every single event of history....... so he watches the life of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus........ and elaborates on the missing years of Jesus.

The book so fascinated me that I read it perhaps four or five times during the '90's alone and I still go back to it over and over again..........

Those Akashic records can be accessed from a number of ways.... Helen Wambach Ph. D. got into them through hypnotizing people and regressing them in time..... as well as even progressing them into what appeared like our future.... but time is not limited to being one straight line and instead can branch and branch and branch....... as the essentially all powerful Ancient of Days the Father plus the Ancient of Days the Mother (aka The Holy Spirit- Holy Ghost) plus the Word - Logos (Elohim) son.... replicate moments of what we think of as the past and then they spin off new and improved branches of time as they get closer and closer to saving essentially all of us..... which was always the full fledged original goal...…


People can also access The Akashic records through meditation.....


http://www.thomastwin.com/10 A Background to Silence.html

Levi Dowling wrote The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ in the 1880's if I remember correctly.

 

My dad passed on back on January 1, 1990..... was unsaved.......... I had believed firmly in "soul sleep" so when I started reading NDE accounts around that time I soon figured out that soul sleep was seriously in error....... I became angry with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.......... due to my own failings in being of some use to dad....... so I began to pray about some really really really dangerous.... things that wise people don't pray about.......... I think I met my Devil within........... and frankly........ I am so scared of letting him loose on the world that I could not be hypnotized and give control over my subconscious even to Ms. Debbie Young........... who I know is an expert....... back in '92 pr '93 when I went to her for hypnotic regression to see if I could verify some of Helen Wambach Ph. D. had written in her two books.


http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/


Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

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This is just a theory and I may be wrong but after being highly skeptical of the idea of a rapture for most of my life I am now open to the idea that the Rapture could fit in extremely well with the ultimate fulfillment of the Fast of Yom Kippur.


I could not get my head around this idea until reading the NDE account of Dr. Richard Eby:



(near-death.com):

.........My dad, Robert Tate died on January 1, 1990. He had NOT given his heart to Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua so far as I knew.

Around that time I ran into the near death experience accounts through an article in Psychology Today. As I read several books by Dr. Raymond Moody I went into something of a philosophical/theological crisis as I encountered evidence that the "soul sleep" doctrine that I had been taught by evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad had almost certainly been terribly in error!

I had been fasting on Yom Kippur since the late 1970's and I had always wondered what this verse could possibly mean:

In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!

 

This thread is like discussing The Lord of the Rings as if its story is real.

What's next? Debating what ingredients work best in a Harry Potter potion?

 

Incorporeal is correct....... that there really is a transformation in our lives after we really give our hearts to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus....... but it is also amazing how much of our father the Devil can still be in us...… even after we have been attempting to get closer to G-d for nearly forty years...…



John 8:44


"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

In my old church..... because we kept the weekly Jewish Sabbath as well as the annual Jewish Sabbaths and attempted to avoid eating pork and other practices...… we ended up becoming some of the most egotistical Christians on the planet...........that egotism....... that pride....... is so much like what the Pharisees and Scribes were wrestling with!

… but I really do feel a level of guidance in my life that I know is not something that I could possibly ever do for myself!?

 

The truth may well be much much much stranger than fiction ever could be.........… just read the first paragraphs of this writing then jump down to the section entitled The Judgment Seat of Christ... to read one of the most fascinating visionary dreams that I have ever read....... The author was tempted to do it up as looking like fiction and he knew that he would get far less hassle if he had.... but....... he knew that it was also time for people to be told about what was really going on all around us...…


http://www.heaven.net.nz/visions/the-hordes-of-hell-are-marching.htm

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You need to stop right there. You're propagating delusions here, not truth.

Truth is not what you seek. Only reinforcement of your delusions and others to follow along in them too, even further reinforcing them. It's real, if you got enough people to believe the same thing, right? The common belief fallacy is a powerful one.

If you seek truth, then seek it. Not lies that perpetuate delusions.

NDE, the truth

 

When I began to research NDE accounts I was so hoping that they were delusions because I felt comfortable with the "soul sleep" doctrine that I had been taught since 1972 by Garner Ted Armstrong.


http://www.near-death.com/ritchie.html

NDE accounts got me kicked out of a church in 1991 that I had been part of since the early '70's.

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peace-of-mind-near-death/

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..... Not only can an NDE like experience be produced by ketamine but they can also be produced in G-force jet fighter pilot training devices.


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html

 

The NDE of Bruce was good.

What is interesting about the virgin birth first Gospel (Mark) does not have a virgin birth. In Mark we have Jesus becoming "deified" during his baptism by John the Baptist. There more details about the testing of Jesus by Satan after baptism in Matt than in Mark as well.

Matt and the subsequent Gospels were thought to have been written after Mark using Mark as a source document so the VB is suspect. Why would the author of Mark not included this obviously significant detail. If you are writing a story about the Messiah (many decades after the Messiah has died) you start at the beginning. Mark begins with a short prophecy from Isaiah about the coming Messiah and then talks about how John the Baptist fulfills that prophecy and goes right into the Baptism of Christ.

John which was written decades after Mark and Matt (as late as 120 AD but not earlier than 90 AD) goes further than the Virgin Birth and has Jesus pre-existing with God.

There are a number of "evolutions" of Jesus along the timeline of the Gospels. The original Mark ends with an empty tomb - does not have a physical reappearance of Jesus after death. The writings of Paul (epistles that Paul actually wrote as there are some he did not) show that Paul believed the resurrection was "spiritual" and not physical as well.

This is good documentary on the early church with some fairly new info. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/

I have heard the twin brother theory but James the Just was also thought to be the brother of Jesus. It was he that ended up leading the Jerusalem Church after the death of Jesus.

 

No! It is your claim that I speak for God. God is able to speak for Himself and does not need me to speak "for Him". So that claim of yours is your interpretation of what I have stated. As for the definition of prophet.... refresh your memory by reading what I stated previously on that subject...

 

I do not think you have to worry be too worried about the idea that your Dad wasn't "saved"

What does "saved" really mean ?

If you read through Matt 5-7 Sermon on the mount
Then read Matt 25 Sheep and Goats Parable
Then read James 2

You will find that the salvation formulation given by Jesus (as opposed to modern Protestant Christian doctrine made up by man) is one of works and not faith.
The "Salvation by faith alone" is not a doctrine that Jesus taught and it is repudiated outright by James (Brother of Jesus and leader of the Jerusalem Church)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+5-7&version=NIV

In the sermon on the mount Jesus is giving his salvation formulation.

The idea of severity of sin is given. As you read through this sermon you will note that "faith" is never mentioned. It is all about works.

The Golden Rule. This sums up the entire law and teachings of the Prophets according to Jesus. Rarely does Jesus put such emphasis on a particular rule.

This is a works based salvation formulation.

By works not by faith.

You can believe in Jesus all you like but "only the one who does the will of the Father" which has been outlined by Jesus throughout the Sermon he has just given = Works.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+25&version=NIV Sheep and Goats Parable

Jesus separates the Sheep from the Goats on the basis of works and it does not matter whether or not you know Jesus.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2&version=NIV

James is talking directly about the doctrine of "salvation by faith alone". Obviously some Christians (no doubt gentiles on the basis of Paul's preaching) are professing this doctrine.

The question at hand is "Can someone be saved on the basis of faith alone"

James is not impressed and goes so far as to call these people that believe this foolish.

Even demons have "faith"

It is ok to have faith but without deeds it is useless. He repeats this 3 times in James 2.

And then the question of course is "faith in what" even if we are talking about faith. Faith in God, Faith in Jesus, Faith in the message of Jesus, Faith in the idea that salvation comes from Jesus, Faith in the idea that Jesus was God's son, Faith in the idea that salvation comes from believing that Jesus died for the salvation of humanity, or some mixture of the aforementioned ?

Jesus never says "worship me". He says worship God and do what God commands.

I think belief in God is somewhat innate - even for one who professes to be an atheist. Doing what God commands or what is good or perhaps just avoiding doing bad .. now that is a different story.

 

Please show proof of claim highlighted in red.

 

Are you saying that God is not able to speak for Himself?

 

I haven't made any claim yet of anything. I merely made a request of you.

The only claim I will make with respect to yours is, I have never heard, seen, felt, or experienced in any way of any manifestation of god speaking for himself.

So, if you believe god speaks for himself, please elaborate on how that works.

 

I believe that in most cases of people (including myself) who have experienced God speaking, the speaking was done in the manner or method of intuitive thoughts being received by the hearer (internal dialogue for a lack of better expression) of those words.

 

Isn't that the same as hearing voices in one's head? Or maybe the same as taking to an imaginary friend? Is there any kind of known language used in this dialogue, or is the message conveyed via emotions and feelings?

In any case, that's doesn't mean god speaks for himself. For all you know, it could be a mild case of schizophrenia.

 

It is a psychological fact that all people hear voices in their head. Here, absorb some data for your future reference and quit relying on preconceived ideas pertaining to 'internal dialogue' or 'internal monologue'.
https://www.google.com/search?newwi....0....0...1c.1.49.serp..8.22.3641.MBA7Vh0SOmA

In the case you are speaking about, then a greater percentage of the world population would be categorized as schizophrenic. Do you deny that you have internal dialogue or internal monologue while pondering the things that you read on these forums?

 

An internal dialogue with one's self is part of how a cognitive being's mind functions. So yeah, for a lack of a better way to explain it, we all talk to ourselves.
But you claim god is talking to you thru this internal dialogue. That is what I'm curious about, is how you reconcile it is a god that is part of your internal conversation.

 

Very simple: When I listen to that voice and attend to the matters prescribed by that voice, I have not been led astray or suffered loss nor suffered illness. It is only when I don't pay heed to that voice that I find myself in various situations that are not so beneficial. When listening to the voices of man, it is only obvious that people will be led astray and will suffer loss and ill health. Subsequently I conclude that because the voices of man will not prevail that the voice that does prevail would be that of (not a god, but) God. I make that conclusion based on personal experience and weighing out the differentiation of effects caused by listening to the internal dialogue or listening to the external dialogue. Now what would you do? Would you not prefer to listen to that which provides as opposed to that which takes away?

 

Then your proof of claim "god speaks for himself" is purely anecdotal.

Of course. But I use my common sense and wisdom derived from experience to decide whether my own advice or from others will be beneficial.

 

"anecdotal"? Well of course. "an·ec·dot·al adj.1. also an·ec·dot·ic or an·ec·dot·i·cal Of, characterized by, or full of anecdotes.

2. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis: "

"common sense"? Then there is the matter of 'wisdom'. What specifically is 'wisdom'? Explain in a manner that is irrefutable and unambiguous.

You previously hinted at imagination. Well read what Einstein had to say about imagination:

[h=1]“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” [/h]