I believe Abraham said "good son and good Prophet" to The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

DennisTate · Aug 7, 2015

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Psalm 22 is very important to the crucifixion, in that Jesus called out, "Elijah, Elijah, why have you forsaken me?"

He was of course referring to the psalm 22, too.
It is interesting that in both cases, understanding the Trinity, Elijah was the son-of-God, i.e.; Truth, the image of Reality:

Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elijah.

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Cupid Dave..... you really have picked perhaps the number one example of a literal fulfillment to a prophecy....... that should convince Christians that a valid metaphorical fulfillment of a scripture does not rule out there also being a literal fulfillment that also takes place!

Yes... the heart, mind and body as a metaphorical temple..... is true.............. and perhaps far more important than a literal Jerusalem Third Temple..... but......... I really do feel that the literal Jerusalem Third TEmple is coming...... i just don't know exactly when........ but a pretty powerful case can be presented that 2030 should be seriously discussed by all involved....... including all Christians who have ever read Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48, or Isaiah 66:5,6 or Revelation 20 and 21.

cupid dave · Aug 7, 2015

DennisTate said: ↑

Cupid Dave..... you really have picked perhaps the number one example of a literal fulfillment to a prophecy....... that should convince Christians that a valid metaphorical fulfillment of a scripture does not rule out there also being a literal fulfillment that also takes place!

Yes... the heart, mind and body as a metaphorical temple..... is true.............. and perhaps far more important than a literal Jerusalem Third Temple..... but......... I really do feel that the literal Jerusalem Third TEmple is coming...... i just don't know exactly when........ but a pretty powerful case can be presented that 2030 should be seriously discussed by all involved....... including all Christians who have ever read Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48, or Isaiah 66:5,6 or Revelation 20 and 21.
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The thing we need examine is Revelation.

The Jews have discovered that what we call The Revelation sent us by Jesus was really a very old document, written 200 years before Jesus was born.
Jesus apparently sent it to, after adding what is now the first three chapters addressed to the 7 churches.
Everything else was Hebrew prophecy written centuries before Jesus was born, although the Jews do mark off places where Jesus had added things like the "lamb" and so forth.

The point I stress to you here, is that "no temple" is understood by the Jews to be in the Revelation.
They see that prediction, but still want to build a new temple.
Nevertheless, they do say that Revelation says no temple.

I am going with Revelation because it is both Jewish and Christian now.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12712-revelation-book-of

*The Book of Revelation remains, under its Christian cloak, a Jewish document.
The whole apocalypse, of which [Revelation22:10-15] xxii. 10-15 is the conclusion, is, like the "original" shorter [Jewish version] one which precedes it (in date of authorship), in every part and feature (except where altered by the Christian compiler) thoroughly Jewish in spirit and conception, as was fully recognized by Mommsen ("Römische Gesch." v. 520-523).

DennisTate · Aug 9, 2015

cupid dave said: ↑

The thing we need examine is Revelation.

The Jews have discovered that what we call The Revelation sent us by Jesus was really a very old document, written 200 years before Jesus was born.
Jesus apparently sent it to, after adding what is now the first three chapters addressed to the 7 churches.
Everything else was Hebrew prophecy written centuries before Jesus was born, although the Jews do mark off places where Jesus had added things like the "lamb" and so forth.

The point I stress to you here, is that "no temple" is understood by the Jews to be in the Revelation.
They see that prediction, but still want to build a new temple.
Nevertheless, they do say that Revelation says no temple.

I am going with Revelation because it is both Jewish and Christian now.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12712-revelation-book-of

*The Book of Revelation remains, under its Christian cloak, a Jewish document.
The whole apocalypse, of which [Revelation22:10-15] xxii. 10-15 is the conclusion, is, like the "original" shorter [Jewish version] one which precedes it (in date of authorship), in every part and feature (except where altered by the Christian compiler) thoroughly Jewish in spirit and conception, as was fully recognized by Mommsen ("Römische Gesch." v. 520-523).
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Intriguing!!!!

CupidDave.... have you looked into any of the visions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for the latter days?

If so.... what do you think so far?

This one especially intrigues me:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=239162
Signs of Judgment day, Muhammed prophecies

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...(post #3).....

God’s Messenger said: By him in whose hands my soul is, (Jesus) son of Mary will descend amongst you shortly as a just ruler (hakaman muqsitan) and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the jizyah. Wealth will flow (in such abundance that) nobody will accept (any charitable gifts). (Bukhari 3/425, Muslim 1/p. 255).
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DennisTate · Nov 29, 2015

The Wyrd of Gawd said: ↑

Will the next person who sees the future please get the winning lottery numbers and the closing numbers for all of the stocks on the stock market page for me?
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Even more valuable is how near death experiencers from all of the world's religions are coming back into four dimensional space - time with keys to achieving peace on earth.

(Autuph Cahalil):"As for the recent attack in Paris I would like to say the following: After having lived and studied for extensive periods in Syria, Yemen, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and as someone who is familiar with the various currents of debate within Muslim clerical and theological circles, I can assure you without any reservation that all the major, mainstream Muslim organizations both in the Islamic world and the West (Europe, North America and Australia) have in the strongest terms condemned terrorism, the targeting of civilians, vigilante violence, wanton destruction, and the indiscriminate use of force for political or religious ends. These acts have nothing to do with God, with the Quran, with Islam, with the spiritual life, and least of all the Prophet Muhammad -- a figure deeply loved and revered by 1.7 billion Muslims throughout the world. In fact, the Prophet of Islam warned his followers to "beware of extremism," and very explicitly laid down in his time, in 7th century Arabia, rules of war (jus in bello) which prohibited the targeting and killing of civilians, monks, the elderly, women, children, people in places of worship, even animals and trees.

I can assure you that Muslims are just as appalled by these attacks as anyone else. What we have learned from NDEs is that we are all children of the Light and have a responsibility to make this world a place of peace, harmony, and love, regardless of our religious, spiritual or non-religious orientations. On behalf of the Muslim community I would like to express my deepest condolences to the victims of the atrocity, and condemn in the strongest of terms heinous acts perversely carried out in the name of God by those who have very little to do with God. Those in whose lives Mercy is not present do not have God present any more than a shadow reflects the Light. "Be merciful to those on the Earth," said the Prophet Muhammad, "so that the One in Heaven will be merciful unto you." (Autuph Cahalil)
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DennisTate · Dec 19, 2015

cupid dave said: ↑

Once one believes in life eternal, the "now" is just a time to help mankind find that Truth is our savior.
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I just found a major key to understanding the seeming contradiction between the Patriarch Abraham calling The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a "good son and good prophet" with the fact that he sinned....... after his out of the body or near death experience?!

My apologies if I am incorrect but it is my understanding that ninety plus percent of Islamic theologians and philosophers teach that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was human.... was tempted... and sinned on occasion..... partly due to the extreme temptations that all of us followers of the G-d of Abraham/ HaShem/ Allah face when we get into the realm of government and wars and the administration of wealth to our followers.

.........…

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20509374-divine-truths-revealed

"I was shown in my life's review how nothing escapes the eye of the eternal. My life passed before me in what seemed like a flash in time. I saw everything right and everything wrong in the way I would live my life from that moment on. Most of this part of the experience was taken away from my conscious mind. Otherwise, it would not have been able, to live a normal life, in any sense of the word. It would have been impossible to learn from my mistakes and errors, as alll human beings do. Having had a spiritual experience does not, in any way, whatsoever, emempt me from falling into any type of error, sin or fault in my own life. On the contrary, I will be judged with much more strictness, since......"to whom much is given, much is required." (Ariela Solsol Pereira, chapter 3, )
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DennisTate · Feb 1, 2016

The Wyrd of Gawd said: ↑

Will the next person who sees the future please get the winning lottery numbers and the closing numbers for all of the stocks on the stock market page for me?
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Better yet...................... certain people throughout history get to the place where they can usher in an astonishingly peaceful age on earth..........

Act 3:21

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
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http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407875&page=34&p=1065805214#post1065805214

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AboveAlpha........ you are onto something that can initiate a totally new time line........ Your different response from that of The Patriarch Abraham..... is quite legitimate............

...... if the Patriarch Abraham had offered to YHWH for himself to be sacrificed..... rather than Isaac............ this question would not necessarily have triggered a fit of rage from YHWH...... but instead would have perhaps altered the fulfillment of the metaphorical Passover and metaphorical Yom Kippur events......... as seen in human history!??

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ously-what-would-take-god-prove-itself-5.html
Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?
(post #50)........

We humans....... have far far far far far far far more power over world events than we tend to imagine!

Our choices........... set in motion major series of events......... that affect millions and billions of lives!

Adam........ Abraham....... Moses....... David... Solomon....... Isaiah..... Yeshua - Jesus....... (and quite frankly The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him)........these human beings made choices...... that set in motion a series of events.........that play a highly significant role in the "restitution of all things!'

It is a bit like a computer program that so depends on a charge going through a zero.... or a one.......... Those of us who are given a high level of responsibility....... our choices........... have astonishing power to alter world events for the better?!

A simple error by somebody like Moses...... of hitting the rock rather than pointing to it as instructed......... was an act of pride...... that arose out of a wrong attitude............. that had serious consequences for Moses and all of Israel...... and all of history since that time?????!!!!

I can certainly understand why this would be irritating......... but the scary part is that you.... and I...... .and each of us....... have far more power over world events than we would like to admit????!!!!!

AboveAlpha...... I feel that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is testing YOU Sir..... differently than many of us.......... I feel that your test........ is to come to the place where you agree with H-s judgments........ in allowing us humans such freedom....... and by implication.......SUCH POWER?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06

They assured me that mistakes are an acceptable part of being human. "Go," they said, "and make all the mistakes you want. Mistakes are how you learn." As long as I tried to do what I knew was right, they said, I would be on the right path. If I made a mistake, I should fully recognize it as a mistake, then put it behind me and simply try not to make the same mistake again. The important things is to try one's best, keep one's standards of goodness and truth, and not compromise those to win people's approval.

"But," I said, "mistakes make me feel bad."

They said, "We love you the way you are, mistakes and all. And you can feel our forgiveness. You can feel our love any time you want to."

I said, "I don't understand. How do I do that?"

"Just turn inward," they said. "Just ask for our love and we'll give it to you if you ask from the heart."

They advised me to recognize it when I made a mistake and to ask for forgiveness. Before I even got the words out of my mouth, I would be forgiven but, I would have to accept the forgiveness. My belief in the principal of forgiveness must be real, and I would have to know that the forgiveness was given. Confessing, either in public or in private, that I had made a mistake, I should then ask for forgiveness. After that, it would be an insult to them if I didn't accept the forgiveness. I shouldn't continue to go around with a sense of guilt, and I should not repeat errors I should learn from my mistakes.

"But," I said, "how will I know what is the right choice? How will I know what you want me to do?"

They replied, "We want you to do what you want to do. That means making choices and there isn't necessarily any right choice. There are a spectrum of possibilities, and you should make the best choice you can from those possibilities. If you do that, we will be there helping you."
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DennisTate · Feb 20, 2016

The Wyrd of Gawd said: ↑

That's a great story for sure. There must have been 1,000 eyewitnesses who accompanied Mohammed on his trip to heaven.
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The Akashic Record is there to be studied by anybody who can get to the level of consciousness where they can control the out of the body state.

All of us can eventually review exactly what was shown to him during those out of body experiences. I suspect that there are some gifted people living today who could do so at this time.

If The President were to get in contact with her..... I am sure that Dr. P. M. H. Atwater would try her best to view this event?

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...souls-those-who-died-september-11-2001-a.html

What happened to the souls of those who died on September 11, 2001?

I read much of this several years ago and I personally........ do happen to believe in the basic accuracy of what three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater reports seeing happening to the souls of those who died on September 11.

I personally do not think that this contradicts the Christian or Jewish Bible teachings on what happens to us after we die!

I honestly believe that Muslims could well come to a much more peaceful understanding of how they should understand the Koran due to this account!

DennisTate · Mar 11, 2016

The Wyrd of Gawd said: ↑

If you can't trust time what good is it?
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Time...... is an invention....... We humans invented cars, boats, ships, and airplanes to take us from point A to point B.

YHWh/ The G-d of Abraham/ HaShem/ Allah........ has invented TIME..... to take souls of humans and angels and get them to a deeper level of consciousness, empathy, wisdom, love, humility....... and reverence for the G-d of Abraham our Creator!

Time..... is used to test us........ and humble us........ as we see over time...... how easily we can be deceived and misunderstand the plans of G-d due to our personal biases.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=446799&page=3&p=1065954088#post1065954088

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Margot2...... when the real latter day Elijah comes along..... the Muslims may be far far far far far more willing to accept this prophet than Christians or Jews?

The final Elijah has a role...... that strangely fits with the role of "Moshiach ben Ephrayim/ Yosef/ Josef" of Judaism which....... also sounds amazingly like the "MAHDI" of Islam?????????

A modern "CYRUS" type of political leader might turn out to be somewhat like the "Jesus of Islam" who the Mahdi is supposed to mentor, teach and work with???????

A huge percentage of Christians and Jews..... might tend to consider that the real final Elijah might be in league with the Devil because the role of the final Elijah..... will create controversy!

..... One of the roles of the final Elijah and Moshiach ben Ephrayim, Yosef, Joseph...... is the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple...... .and many Christians believe that only the ANTI-CHRIST will be able to negotiate a major treaty between Jews and Muslims that will lead to the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple!

Notice this reply to this topic:

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html
Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?

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John S said: ↑

According to the Book of Revelation in the Bible, the ONLY person that will be able to broker a peace deal in the Middle East, will be the person that Christians refer to as the antichrist. Since I don't believe Mr.Harper, nor any American - North or South - to be the antichrist, I don't believe that he will be successful - but we will see.
NO - I will NOT pray for Mr. Harper's success.
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DennisTate · Aug 15, 2016

I should probably quote myself
to update where I feel this idea can fit within
the present political climate in both the USA
and Canada.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-dems-reps-dont-want-muslims-white-house.html

Thread: 52%-84% of Dems/Reps don't want Muslims in the White House

It is common knowledge that a significant percentage of Muslims
seem to feel that it is their religious duty to expand and expand
Islam...... even in Democratic nations.... and as soon as they get
into position..... they make a bid for control of that nation.

Lebanon is a good example of how this belief in the minds of
a percentage of Muslims can produce terrible results.

Most Americans are somewhat aware of cases where
Muslims went too far with power.

I have to admit though that a segment of Muslims would
tend to believe just as firmly in religious freedom as most of us
do. Sufi Muslims and Islamic Mystics for example.
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DennisTate · Dec 16, 2016

I just got sent a really impressive message on how Christians and Muslims can
take several steps closer to each other.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Common_Word_Between_Us_and_You
Main quotations from the Letter

"Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world's population. Without peace and justice between these two religious communities, there can be no meaningful peace in the world. The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians."
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"The basis for this peace and understanding already exists. It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the One God, and love of the neighbour. These principles are found over and over again in the sacred texts of Islam and Christianity."
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""Of God's Unity, God says in the Holy Qu'ran: "Say, He is God, the One! God, the Self Sufficient Besought of all! (Al – Ikhlas 112:1–2)." Of the necessity of love for God, God says in the Holy Qu'ran: "So invoke the Name of thy Lord and devote thyself to him with a complete devotion (Al-Muzzammil 73:." Of the necessity of love for the neighbour; the prophet Muhammad said: "None of you has faith until you love for your neighbour what you love for yourself."
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jrr777 · Dec 20, 2016

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If more Christian Mystics and even some Jewish Mystics will begin to discuss the theory that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was in many ways a Prophet Like Unto Moses as well as perhaps King David or Elijah or the Patriarch Abraham reincarnated........ then peace will soon break out in the Middle East!!!!!!!!!

http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html
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What organization brought about "Muhammad".
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R.C.C.

jrr777 · Dec 20, 2016

DennisTate said: ↑

Better yet...................... certain people throughout history get to the place where they can usher in an astonishingly peaceful age on earth..........

Act 3:21

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407875&page=34&p=1065805214#post1065805214
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I understand how you feel about predicting the future. Especially when it comes to the end times. However, if you are sitting towards the back of a bar, and somebody comes in holding a bloody axe saying, "I'll kill the next mother ()()()()()() that walks in or out of here. I would assume you would stay seated, unless of course your packing heat! What I'm getting at, is certain events can take place that do allow for future predictions. This can happen on both small and large scale scenarios. Such as government conflicts and what not.

When it comes to people predicting the end times, since after Jesus, everybody always said it was here based off one or sometimes two signs. Such as WW1, and WW2!

With all these predictions it has created, "a boy cried wolf type scenario", where when all the signs Jesus tells us to look for do appear, and because of all the previous wrong predictions, those who don't know what to look for obviously will not believe it. Having said that, the only signs not being shown now, is the two witnesses, and rebuilding of the temple. However some say, the temple is our individual bodies.

DennisTate · Dec 31, 2016

jrr777 said: ↑

I understand how you feel about predicting the future. Especially when it comes to the end times. However, if you are sitting towards the back of a bar, and somebody comes in holding a bloody axe saying, "I'll kill the next mother ()()()()()() that walks in or out of here. I would assume you would stay seated, unless of course your packing heat! What I'm getting at, is certain events can take place that do allow for future predictions. This can happen on both small and large scale scenarios. Such as government conflicts and what not.

When it comes to people predicting the end times, since after Jesus, everybody always said it was here based off one or sometimes two signs. Such as WW1, and WW2!

With all these predictions it has created, "a boy cried wolf type scenario", where when all the signs Jesus tells us to look for do appear, and because of all the previous wrong predictions, those who don't know what to look for obviously will not believe it. Having said that, the only signs not being shown now, is the two witnesses, and rebuilding of the temple. However some say, the temple is our individual bodies.
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Well said......
what do you think of this new development?

http://zionistreport.com/2016/11/sa...&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
Sanhedrin Asks Putin And Trump To Build Third Temple In Jerusalem
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I am reading "The Mystery of the Shemitah" by Jonathan Cahn right now......
and I am of the belief that the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 can
cause the entire world economy to boom!

DennisTate · Mar 13, 2017

The Wyrd of Gawd said: ↑

That's a great story for sure. There must have been 1,000 eyewitnesses who accompanied Mohammed on his trip to heaven.
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If you have the free time
this video is well worth watching. I just listened to it twice.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-islamic-restoration.499211/#post-1067205978

Trump immigration policy and Islamic restoration...

Llewellyn Moss said: ↑

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At about the eleven minute mark in this film is a clue to the way that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)..... thinks and views women..........

DennisTate · May 14, 2017

jrr777 said: ↑

What organization brought about "Muhammad".
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R.C.C.
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True......
similar to how King Jereboam was raised up as an adversary to
King Solomon, due to his idolatry inspired by his many wives......

... so also.... Islam was raised up as an adversary to Christianity
due to our corruption, paganism, anti-Semitism......
and tendency toward genocide.......

P. M. Justin Trudeau and a plan for Canada, Jordan - Israeli cooperation on....

DennisTate said: ↑

an alternative method to stabilize the climate.

P. M. Justin Trudeau may be the perfect
political leader to initiate a whole new level of economic cooperation
between the nations of Canada - Jordan and Israel?

IF..... my concern is valid that perhaps a thirty centi-meter rise in
average ocean levels could translate into a 4.5 meter rise along part of
Canada's Bay of Fundy then......

..... Canadian political leaders are in a perfect position to
hit the world with a whole new way of looking at the subject of
stabilization of the climate.

In my part of Nova Scotia the difference between low tide to high tide is
only about one meter. Along parts of the Bay of Fundy the difference is more than
fifteen meters so....... 30 cms x 15 = 450 cms or 4.5 meters.

ONE nation on earth has experienced COOLING in its climate since 1950.
That nation was Israel.

On a per capita basis Israel led the world in a combination of planting trees and in
large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture, reforestation projects as well as
for cities and towns experiencing a shortage of water.

IF.... large scale desalination of ocean water was financed for the nation of Jordan,
that was combined with a plan that would greatly increase the economic cooperation
between Jordan and Israel........ and if Jordan also began to experience cooling in
their climate as well then we would know that the theory put forward by
New Mexico biologist Carl Cantrell must be valid.

Here is a message about P. M. Justin Trudeau that I got in my
e-mail last week.

I have to admit that P. M. Trudeau's idea may not be the best for the Canadian economy
bit at least he is popular among Jordanian political leaders.

We can't move forward under Justin Trudeau

I have to agree with Mr. Kevin O'Leary that P. M. Justin Trudeau's
ideas at this time are probably not the best for the future of Canada's
stock market. Some of his father's ideas were terrible for our economy
as well............. but on the plus side wrecking the economy can be
good for the environment?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...e-elliott-trudeau-save-world-environment.html
Did P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau save the world environment?
This is actually a quite serious question.

P. M. Trudeau made an error back in 1974, that may well come to be understood as one of the most important mistakes ever made by a political leader.

When P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau took Canada off the gold standard, (which incidentally had to be done for many valid reasons), a miscalculation was made that is the number one reason why our national debt has spiraled out of control.

But..... there is a very good side to this because all of us know that we humans have been in a somewhat similar mentality to our ancestors who shot, boiled, barbecued, roasted and fried passenger pigeons into extinction.

We are highly prone to OVER Consumptionism............. I addressed part of the background issues back in my 2006 provincial level campaign as an independent.
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DennisTate · Aug 13, 2018

Wow.... I have got to look into being invited into the same organization who wanted this particular white guy to be with them........

Margot2 · Aug 13, 2018

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Wow.... I have got to look into being invited into the same organization who wanted this particular white guy to be with them........

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You screwed up.. This video should be a stamd alone thread.

trevorw2539 · Aug 13, 2018

I believe Abraham said "good son and good Prophet" to The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Abraham never existed. The Bible itself shows this to be a story when compared with known ancient history. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are built on myths and stories.

DennisTate · Aug 13, 2018

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You screwed up.. This video should be a stamd alone thread.
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That can be arranged............ I am thinking of a poll......

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