If you had Jesus' powers would you tell us the cure for Ebola?

Ah, so your point must have been that people shouldn't engage trolls. Happy to help.

 

"I can't answer that hard question (in one simple post, showing how FreedomSeeker is wrong), so I'll spend many many MORE posts to show the same thing (that I can't answer that hard question)".....

The BEST way to shut a "troll" down is to refute his ridiculous statements, with logic and reason, sending him scurrying back from whence he came. One's inability to do that can be very telling.

 

God can do anything, so why would he stop at one virus. But that is not how God intended us to live, he gave us the tools we need, it is up to us how we apply them. Case in point: if we did not spend all the money we do on new ways to kill our fellow man many times over we might have already solved all the world problems and cured all the different illnesses that plague mankind. Obviously we decided against that path, so here we are.

 

It appears that Modern Secular Humanism is a more caring/compassionate belief system than just about any other, as a MSHist would not hesitate to cure the disease if they had Jesus' mutant super-powers, but people of other belief systems are constantly, CONSTANTLY, hemming and hawing when it comes to answering moral questions. Seconds ago, in the thread on "virgin birth", I found the exact same thing! I'm sensing a pattern here.

 

Ok, I think.......

 

If he was moral he wouldn't. If he wants to "test" us, say, then, I don't know, he'd invent a new more challenging Rubic's Cube or something to "test" us, not give us a virus that can kill millions of innocent children. He clearly doesn't love us, so his "all-loving" nature is yet another lie of religion.

Mark Twain said there are upwards of a thousand lies in the bible....he might have been low.

 

Strange way to look at it, but if you want to believe that then go for it, am not in the business of conversions.

 

I would cure Ebola if I had Jesus' alleged powers, would YOU? (I'm not asking about god in this post here, just about YOU, would YOU give us the cure to Ebola if you had his powers?)

 

I bet you are more creative than their invisible friend in the sky is, because I bet that you, or some member of your family, are creative enough to come up with a good way to "test" humanity that doesn't involve a virus that kills innocent children...am I correct? I know that I am that creative, how about you and your family?

 

Sure I would, but it would not be on the top of the list of things to cure, in fact it is not even close to the top.

 

You actually believe God tests humanity by infesting us with a virus? But if you do not believe in God then your argument seems to be odd at best since it based on fiction according to you. Is it your point to attack the Validity of there being a God? I get that, people seem to feel that if they do not believe in something they need to get others to do the same for some reason. I have never understood the point of that and do not really care to since it is not my problem.

 

Your statements were ridiculous on their face, true. I don't need to refute that which is obviously stupid. But since you insist...

OK, so I should refute these ridiculous statements with logic and reason? Easy.

OK, so your assertion is that because you don't hear ANYTHING about Jesus for a while, that means that he is out having gay sex. OK, so to refute, I will simply point out two glaring logical flaws: these are non sequitur (argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion), and an argument from ignorance (asserting that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

There, now that's all you get. Go beg for troll food from someone else.

 

That's actually a great reply.

It's not 100% certain that he was having gay sex, no, but what, 5% chance, 20% chance? What percent chance that their prophet should be stoned to death (per the very same book that they use to believe in him in the first place!) would be acceptable to a Christian I wonder? 15%? What? Are Christians secure enough in their belief to give a figure?

 

If I had the powers of Christ, I would create a huge island far away from America and move all Neoliberals there, so they could eat one another in their dog eat dog mentality. America then would be civilization where the society, including all of its people were equal in material possessions, and the goal was to work for the good of all the people instead of only being concerned with how rich a few people could get.

So, a guarantee to resources, for all, which would get rid of most of the crimes that plague this society. For most crimes are driven by deprivation except for the sociopaths. The Neoliberals on that dawinistic island would have high crime and large prisons, and a huge class of the impoverished. Of course they would have their few rich elites, for that is what Neoliberalism is all about.

 

Hmmmm. And what is your basis for establishing you belief in morality? From what you've posted, it seems that the extent of your basis for morality is what you feel is right, so I ask you, what's your basis for saying even that it seems that someone is more moral/caring than Jesus based on their response to this question?

 

What's best for humanity is a start (but not perfect, I'll admit)....and no sane person would feel that burning, what 75% of all humanity, in the pits of "hell", is what's best for all of humanity. Jesus was clearly a monster, immoral, and a selfish pr**k. Wanting the best for HUMANITY is what I want, Jesus wanted what's best for HIM. If only, say 1000 people were ever Christians, Jesus is fine with seeing that almost our entire race gets burned alive in his Auschwitz. Actually, that would be far far worse than even Auschwitz, but hey, our boy Jesus was one sick SOB (the "B" in "SOB" was even worse than Jesus, if you can believe that - read the first part of the book!)

 

Would YOU cure Ebola once and for all if you had Jesus' mutant-superpowers? A moral person says "of course"....period.

 

Reading between the lines here.....could you say that of course you'd cure Ebola if you had Jesus' magic super powers....I'm not sure what the answer to that is.

 

don't worry about doing that, it's already been done ... a few times. Australia, Japan, and New Zealand spring to mind. And while they're not islands, some of the Scandinavian countries would qualify easily. Oddly, though, the opposite has happened. they're all arguably more civilised, and definitely have less social problems than America. who'd a thunk it

 

God answers all prayers, sometimes the answer is no.

God permits disease and suffering of all types because that is how he creates the souls that will live forever with him in heaven. We are like raw iron to be made into steel and the Earth is a forge.

At least that's what the god-botherers say, no , I don't believe it for a minute either, but they have answered these arguments many times.

 

are you seriously quibbling over the semantics in this? it's EBOLA, for craps' sake.

 

Yeah, especially all those children. Curse them and their poor life decisions. You go god, kill 'em all.

 

so god needs to kill us to create playmates for himself upstairs? he couldn't find a better way to do this, despite being able to create universes on a whim on a quiet Tuesday afternoon?

 

no, Christians believe god tests humanity by infesting us with deadly viruses. that's why the OP created the thread, to challenge those who believe in a god who would do such a thing, to measure their own morality against such a god.

and before you try the old "god didn't create ebola", you might want to think through the implications of claiming your god created EVERYTHING, good and evil. now, yesterday, and forever. and it was all part of his grand plan.

 

Why should Jesus give us a cure for something that he created in the first place? Since we are just as smart as he is we can find our own cure, just as we did for polio and smallpox. Those diseases are a lot worse than Ebola.