If YOUR religion lead the world (by far) in terrorism, would you work to improve it?

You say your interpretation doesn't matter. But, then you give YOUR interpretation.

What's up with that?

 

Did you have a different interpretation for the word "slay". A literal interpretation would be to kill.

kill (a person or animal) in a violent way.
"St. George slew the dragon"

synonyms: kill, murder, put to death, butcher, cut down, cut to pieces, slaughter, massacre, shoot down, gun down, mow down, eliminate, annihilate, exterminate, liquidate;

 

I just don't understand this idea of telling a religion what they believe.

If you want to know what someone believes, you have to ask them.

Luckily enough, Islam doesn't accept your interpretation. I pointed out one source of error, and uou simply ignored it.

This is a very serious problem, as terrorism in the ME must be resolved by those in the ME, where Islam happens to be dominant. The same is true for terrorism anywhere - it must be resolved locally. There is no solution for ISIS that doesn't come from those who are Muslim.

 

Im not. It is how they already interpret it. For instance from Bin Laden

Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders. .........
On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

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Because interpreting the word "slay" to mean kill, isn't an error. Literal interpretations aren't errors, they are literal interpretations.

 

There are moderate Muslims that condemn terrorism but how can they stop the radicals? It's like any other extremist group. Religions are just gangs fighting for power, influence, and members. Most conflicts boil down to a battle over resources. Christians have a relative advantage in numbers, money, power, and dominance so you don't see them committing terrorism yet. Islam is growing rapidly and it is mostly poor angry young males whose fathers have been bombed by Bush 1&2 and oppressed women. Jews numbers are fairly low but they are smart and wealthy and conspiracy theorists believe they control banks and media. Buddhists, Hindus are fairly peaceful since they have such large numbers and aren't being infiltrated (China/India). Atheists abstain from the gangs but they are becoming more organized and more and more people are realizing that religion is BS.

 

No, once again you are attempting to tell Islam what THEY believe, which is NOT what Islam believes. Islam rejects the ISIS interpretation. Islam IS a religion of peace. Of course, (like with the USA) nations retain the right to use military force for political reasons.

The problem isn't with one word. You are wrong, because you choose to look at JUST one word - or a few short words - while ignoring that Islam limits the application of those statements to events and methods of a former time.

Your idea of fomenting religious war is insane - as well as being criminal, profoundly unAmerican and not consistent with Christianity.

 

I already feel that there will be no chance of coexistence between an analytical, logical mind and one steeped in ignorance and superstition. Expecting them to even acknowledge your point is itself an exercise in futility.

 

The bolded is about the weakest defense I've ever seen. Beliefs ARE actions for religious fanatics

 

I will again ask all the Islam bashers here; given that, according to you, ANY muslim, even by some ilghts those who have renounced the faith, is still a murderous terrorist and committed to his dying breath to murder us all in our beds, what is it you wish to be done about this, or rather, what is the logical thing for any non[-Muslim to do?

 

Sounds like many of the conversations I've had with conservatives. (Not on here, of course, a few at my dinner table though)

 

Indeed, it is hopeless.

 

The Soviets and Maoist Communists, were Atheists.

what does this teach us?

 

Step by step?

Step 1. Ask that they stop killing us.

Step 2. Await response. I think we have had our response, when they killed yet more of us.

Step 3. Escalation? Tightening control on muslim immigration? Increased scrutiny of muslims already here?

I wonder, what would you have us do?

 

That it isn't entirely necessary that one be a crusading christian knight or a islamic jihadi in order to be a barbarous murderer?

 

ISIS stays alive in Syria, Iraq, and Libya because of the chaos and poor government.

Both Iraq and Syria have central governments that have continuing programs against their own citizens. When that happens, the people are faced with fighting both their central government military AND terrorists or accepting the existence of the terrorists against the central government.

If that problem didn't exist, ISIS would have no way to sustain their foothold.

Remember that in Iraq we were unable to remove AQI. Then, with the "awakening" we had the Sunni people on our side and were able to make large and rapid progress against AQI. Then, when the Sunni people were once again assaulted by the government we installed, we lost that cooperation and eliminating ISIS once again became out of our reach.

 

We are certainly doing 3!! We scrutinize these guys as if they were applying for national security clearance!

It would be a HUGE blunder to alienate Muslims in America.

And, we have to be careful about who we think "they" are.

 

I do not share your timidness and would feel far more comfortable if we went back to legal immigration with enhanced "common sense" controls in place to manage high risk immigrants, with additional repercussions for behavior unbecoming of an American, to include immediate deportation with no chance of legal re-entry.

 

They are right in the interpretation of the quran. Why does the majority of Muslims are in favor of sharia law?

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Nowhere in the Bible does it say that blacks are inferior. Please provide the verse saying so.

 

Atheist governments have killed far more people than all of the religions in the world combined.

 

No, beliefs aren't actions. And it wasn't a defense. I was instead pointing out the strawman you are chasing after.

 

Sharia law isn't one size fits all. What ISIS does is something ISIS does. It's a little bit like what would happen if some radical Christian sect implemented the law of Leviticus - something we would see as criminal today, obviously.

On the other hand, we have courts in the US where Sharia is followed in civil actions such as law suits, divorce, etc., if the two parties consent.

The monumentally disgusting site "http://www.wckkkk.org/eql.html" contains numerous Biblical references in building its case for discrimination and white superiority.

 

Yoo are an odd one. Read back through the postings. You are the only one fool enough here to make proclamations about what "Islam" does or believes. Not I. I'm the one who quoted what Bin Laden said and what is written in the Koran. I'm the one who said "slay" means kill.

Again with these silly fool proclamations about what Islam does, as if it were some type of entity that does anything. The written doctrine of the quran and hadiths supports their interpretation.

The written doctrine of the Quran is full of commandments to the believers to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until... religion is only for Allah". Doesn't sound very peaceful to me.

Nothing in the written doctrine contains any such limitation. They are commanded to fight the unbelievers "until... religion is only for Allah". What aspect of "Islam" places such limits if its not to be found in the written doctrine?

Revealing that you interpret my quoting of the written doctrine of Islam to be "fomenting religious war". You are demonstrating my point.

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 26: Narrated Abu Huraira*)
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

 

If they did it would be contrary to the text of the bible which includes the new testament. And the Islamic Caliphates applying Islamic doctrine as the law to be governed by, from 632 until the 1920s, and now again for the last few years, is according to the written doctrine.

 

The Old Testament is one of the most violent hateful things ever written. And hundreds of millions of jews and Christians follow it as the word of god.

 

Yes - I'm just pointing out that Trump and others call for more scrutiny.

But, we study these prospective immigrants (and their families, their jobs, their on-line behavior, their friends, etc., etc.) for MONTHS before letting them in. We take finger prints, iris scans, dna, etc.

So, calling for more of that is either a politician trying to make points with no basis or a politician that doesn't have a clue about what our government is doing.