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  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    Yes Turtledude, don't make personal attacks when you and attack everyone who does not live in NY.
     
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    I understand that the 10mm is a hotter round than the .40 but unless you are in moose or bear country, there are a ton more models that support .40 and ammo is less expensive
     
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    I'm in bear country.
     
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    There was a time when there would be a lot of truth to this. Not so much anymore. The .40 is actually falling out of favor at a surprising pace; law enforcement is turning away from it in droves to go to the 9mm, and the .357 Sig is probably going to become more of a boutique caliber in the near future; still with its adherence but little to no widespread use.

    The 10mm, on the other hand, is experiencing something of a renaissance; with a lot of serious shooters discovering how accurate and flat-shooting it really is, as well as how much power it can provide. Several manufacturers are now making new models for it as well. That makes me happy; because I've always had a soft spot for the caliber and am glad to see it finally getting some recognition for its capabilities.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Nuisance type or human scat type?
     
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    Mostly nuisance which is why a 357 with 180 grain hard cast should be sufficient, and hire mountain lion, too. If I hunted Wyoming or Montana it would be a 44 or 10 mm.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    In the Lower, I have taken to carry my HK.45c with .450 SMC 255gr from DoubleTap. If I had a 10mm, prob take it.
    In the North Country (AK) while fishing, I carry cross chest big Six hoping to never have to give a post test review, assuming I don’t become Bear scat. Handgun vs freight train? Maybe... don’t want to know.
     
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    If I was in brown bear country I think I'd put up with the weight of a long gun.
     
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    I have a 40. And a 45. And a 44. And a 357.
    So... I wanted a double-stack 10mm, and I wont buy a Glock.
     
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    180 @ 1350 fps is nothing to sneeze at - twice the muzzle energy of 9mm, in an auto.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I alway take one of those as well getting to and from the water, but when fly fishing, leave it on the bank, relying on my cross chest six as the ‘O’**** option’. I have twice had freight trains decide my fish looked good... pucker time, time for half bottle whiskey in car and time to call it a day both times. I am a guest there, prefer not to be the guest that was dinner. But, awesome sight to see so close in retrospect.
     
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    Everyone has their druthers and reasons. To me, a Glock is like an AR... both erector set platforms...change to suit different roles.
    If I had to pick a couple favorite hand guns I have had... one would have been my old .44mag BlackHawk and then my old .44mag custom (4” ported) Redhawk, both carried as BU in AK in the late 80’s and 90’s, before larger cartridge variations emerged.
    As for rifles... too many favorites.

    In fishing the saying is ‘the one that got away’. With guns, ‘it’s the one I stupidly let go’.
     
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    we'll agree to disagree

    I can get .40 for 25c per round and 10mm is nowhere near that cheap; it's around 35c and up.

    I'm not arguing over the differences, just curious about the choice given the multitudes of choices not only on gun but ammo too, compared to the 10mm. The OP said that he's in bear country so I understand wanting the extra velocity.

    I don't yet own a 5.56 but will very shortly and when at the range using my buddy's AR, I buy and shoot .223 as it's way cheaper for the range. I fully intend on having 5.56 in my ammo box but am too cheap to fire it at the range (maybe a few rounds)
     
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    weight to power ratio-nothing really beats a GLOCK 20 in 10MM. for the same weight of one of those big smith 460/500 revolvers you can carry a GLOCK 10mm-fully loaded and three extra loaded magazines . that's 60 rounds of pretty stiff pistol rounds. BTW A good shooter can put 10 rounds of 10mm on a standard IPSC target at 25 yards in under 3 seconds. I doubt most shooters can get off more than two rounds of the big hand cannons in that period of time

    ten rounds of 10MM in center of mass is going to be pretty terminal on most animals
     
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    223 and 556 cost pretty much the same
     
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    Here. Go crazy.

    https://www.freedommunitions.com/ammunition/rifle/223-remington.html

    www.ammoseek.com
     
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    Freedom Munitions has 180gr 10mm for 0.29/rd.
     
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    i'd like to know where you buy your ammo
     
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    you should be able to find 5.56 ammo pretty cheap. It's actually cheaper than most 223 rounds. XM193 usually goes for about $6.99 for a box of 20. PMC makes a decent 223 for plinking. It's about the same price. But those are the cheapest I know of, unless you go cheap steal cased **** like wolf.
     
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    I would tend to agree with that. Back in the later 80’s early 90’scI got one of the early .44mag RedHawks, had it customized and carried it in my fishing trips. I didn’t feel all that secure when my Long gun was on the shore, but the .44 mag wasn’t that unmanageable for follow up shot, but still with the short barrel not exactly competition stuff. I sold that years ago. My friend has a couple guns he acquired, a two 1/2 inch Smitty .454 and a Red Hawk Alaskan in .480 Which he lends me. As I posted earlier, I have been nearly permanently puckered twice and would have to say I doubt I’d had the time to get more than one shot off, given the distance, surprise, and the recoil of that thing. Prob lot more difficult with my buddy’s short .454 which is punishing on both sides of it with heavy loads. I had heard of folks up there going with 10mm Glocks with similar thoughts as you posted. Carrying either of the two wheel guns all day isn’t fun...think I much prefer the 10mm and that is the roll I have in mind if I pick one up later this summer. Probably consider the gun to backup to bear spray... don’t really want to kill a bear and From the reports I have heard, bear spray is developing a pretty good reputation for deterrence. 10mm better town option for the really scary game.
     
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    does your state check for warrants or convictions every three months?

    if not, then you should be required to get a NICS check.
     
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    It is actually possible to hire the services of a mountain lion?
     

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