Iowa Democrat challenges defeat with the House

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Democrat Rita Hart, a former state senator, filed the 176-page complaint with the House Administration Committee, which will take the lead in investigating her contest. At issue, according to the Hart campaign, are 22 ballots that were not included in the initial tally or subsequent recounts but that Hart's campaign says should've been included.

Hart is making her challenge under the Federal Contested Election Act, which allows a losing candidate to ask the new Congress determine the true victor of the seat, and she has retained the prominent Democratic election lawyer Marc Elias. Such contests are not uncommon, but a move by the Democratic-lead House to refuse to seat her opponent, even provisionally, would be extremely rare — it’s only happened three times since 1933, according to congressional records.
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Article
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/22/hart-challenges-defeat-house-449841

Filing
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-...A-02-Notice-of-Contest-and-Appendix-Scan1.pdf

First off, if you haven't read the 44 pages of the filing (skipping the 120+ pages of affidavits), please don't bother responding.... I'll know...

For those that have, 3 simple questions.

1. Is this the place to challenge her election?? It's certainly been done in Congress before, so this is not a novel concept. It's Federal Law.

2. Should the R be denied the seat on Jan 3rd? To state the obvious, if this situation were completely reversed, there's nobody on this earth who wouldn't believe R's would refuse to seat the D until a uniform recount was accomplished.

3. Does Hart have a case for a 'uniform recount'.

My answers are 3 Yesses, although 2 of the 7 examples of 'lost Hart votes' in the filing are questionable (Ask me which!!) Even without those, Hart would have enough to win.

 

Im not a fan of the HOR having to intervene, but she is only behind by 6 votes. She was down 47 votes in the original count, and then after the recount, she was down by 6. And the problem here is that of the 22 ballots that everyone agrees are real, she would actually win the contest, but they disagree that there should be another count. And also understand that it is a republican held legislature here in Iowa that is denying that recount, thats the real rub here. Nobody denies that she will win if the recount happens, but the republican held legislature runs the committee and is voting along party lines to deny the recount.

So to be perfectly clear, from what we see today, she has the votes to win, but the republican held legislature is denying that recount. It stinks, and IMHO is undemocratic.

 

Democrats did this in 1986 to great uproar. Pelosi is so lustful for power I wouldn’t put it past her.

 

But that means most Republican leaders will just love it to death. A Dem denied her seat on blatantly unfair and unconstitutional grounds, that'll teach that uppity woman to stay at home and make babies like she's meant to.

 

It was 1985 and this seat doesn't change the balance of power at all.. here's a brief history of that similar situation...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/florida-recounts-message-matters/575614/

 

My limited understanding of this is that any future counting/recounting would be done outside of the state election system, who potentially made the mistakes in the first place...

 

Egoboy, thanks for the bouquet. However, while I have acquired a general sense of your judicial processes (by reading here and doing some research) I cannot say I have a knowledge on State issues sufficient enough to offer anything meaning in this Thread. Cheers.

 

Democrat trying to steal an election! Color me so surprised.

 

Who the hell does she think she is. The Bible says that woman shall will submit to man.

 

They are forcing that to happen. They actually can recount in the state, but the republican committee that has the power is denying her that recount, which is why she went to the HOR.

It is the ultimate Irony here. The republicans actually agree that she will win if they allow the recount, but they wont let that happen. The republicans are literally screaming about Trumps allegations, while the reality of this race is that she will win, and they are cheating her of that.

 

Fair enough... Almost nobody on this forum has any background on this concept (despite what some undoubtedly will claim).

Frankly, I think this is more interesting a concept than whatever is going to fail on Jan 6th, although that will be a bigger spectacle...

Cheers back...

 

Which is why the D is asking for the relief to have the House order a recount, presumably the same as the way it happened in 1985...

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The House recount, conducted by General Accounting Administration auditors, ended Thursday with a final tally of 116,645 for McCloskey to 116,641 for McIntyre.
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It doesn't seem Iowa has much to say about it if the House orders this...

Republicans suck either way....

 

Ummmm wow.

this is republicans stealing one.

is it cherry or grape this time ?

 

Asking the House of Representatives to overthrow a certified election is stealing!

 

You should provide a citation that documents your assertion. No one actually knows "she would win" if there was a recount. But curious, how, suddenly, do you care about the fairness of an election for just this one case, and not the obvious pains of fraud that occurred in the swing states? I could just as easily assert that everyone know, were there an actual hand recount, and all address envelopes for mail ins were able to be verified against the voter roles, that Biden would lose those states. And every democrat in the country knows that. See how this game works?

 

Because this filing makes a legal case identifying specific votes that were impacted... not general noise .

Big diff there..

 

Were I to take your position you've maintained on the national presidential, I'd just challenge you to show the proof. Show there was voter fraud. Show there was any illegalities. You fumed for weeks telling us that there wasn't fraud. The legal filing might make it to court, and if the court may find she doesn't have standing, like in the nationals, then what? Pout?

And tell me, why is this one race different than the presidential? You are starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist. You said the elections can be trusted. But just not this one. How convenient.

 

Read the filing.. if you can...

 

Why? I'll simply assume your previous position, and express doubt, like you have, and demand you demonstrate the proof. Cite it. Show what illegalities, or otherwise that there was sufficient fraud. We'll wait. If, in fact, the filing contains this information, why not post it? Show the work. And then show why this is different as a legal standard than the national presidential.

 

The optics of ignoring / refusing to seat the certified winner of the election are obviously hideous for the dems, especially if they want to voice complaints about President Trump challenging election results.

But still, I'll be unsurprised if their lust for power trumps all that and they go ahead and steal the seat anyways.

 

Republicans trying to steal an election, color me surprised

 

Miller Meeks is the certified winner. All 24 counties in the district already performed a recount.

 

like I said, I dont like it to go to the HOR.

BUT, The repubs ARE stealing this seat, and they know it.

See, in this one we have actual PROOF of what is happening.

 

There's a big difference between losing by 6 votes vs. 7 million.

 

oh FFS. Show ANY proof of fraud in the swing states....go ahead, we will wait, and no "late night dumps" or "statistical analysis", just facts. All mail in ballots were verified in the original count, as mandated by law. They CANNOT be verified in a recount as the envelopes are already opened, and the chain of custody is no longer traceable. But i'm sure you will keep pushing this fantasy.

Biden won. Until anyone on the right shows any real fraud, or even one ballot that was fraudulent that was counted, then Ill listen. Until then, you just repeating falsehoods.