Iran appears to be on the verge of nuclear capability

In this case it is possible. Netanyahu ethnic cleansed Arabs from land that is not Israeli to enlarge his Jew nation again and again in the past. And currently he proudly campaigns in those places to get voted in a new term.

 

I don't completely disagree with that BUT if you were talking specifically about Israel and Netanyahu, then you should have used them as an example specifically, and NOT made the broad sweeping statement you made.

 

Iran shoots their own satellites into orbit with their own missiles.
They already have all the technology they need for years and years.

 

Gilos revered to a previous conversation about this. My reply was towards him not to you.

 

And your terror support doesnt discriminate anyone, nor does a Nuke. why hide what you really think ? learn something from the Israelis here, we say what we think wether its popular or not.

 

Hitting a target is more difficult than shooting a rocket into space. Maybe it is the targeting system that is insufficient? Maybe it is taking longer to enrich their uranium? Maybe they are waiting until they have enough warheads to attack multiple times against multiple opponents/targets?

What I do know is that the biggest obstacle in building a nuclear missile is the enrichment process vs how much yield they want per warhead.

The odds of Iran actually building a functioning nuclear ICBM are HIGH...not low.

 

The risk here is a ME arm race toward a Nuke, not Iran bombing Israel which will destroy Iran as well, but in all those rich Gulf states getting a Nuke as well and from there the entire ME, and if there is one place on Earth you dont want to be armed to its teeth with Nukes - it's the ME.

 

Lol exactly, one of just a handful of fringe parties, representing perhaps 5%, of Israeli jews. All other mainstream parties and Israeli citizens are part of the "zionist regime" but of course intending to wipe out 95% of the Jewish population together with the army, political parties and institutions representing them is oh so different from wiping Israel off the map lol STOP SPLITTING HAIRS. The nonsense is obvious and ludicrous.

 

They got satellites in space. That is rather precise work to get them in an orbit the way you want it to be.

It took the US just 4 years to invent and build them from scratch with computers who are weaker than your cellphone. There is no reason to believe that during this day and age,... that it should be possible to make them "just a bit faster" than the 1940's.

 

Fighting racist oppression and ethnic cleansing is not terror. And when war criminals hide among a few innocent people, than it's just collateral damage. It's a well accepted phenomena.

 

According to wikipedia its a: "Israeli Arab political party in Israel" with an anti-zionist agenda.
I doubt they represent Israeli Jews.

Sounds more you're just making more of a fool of yourself.
Continue.

Yeah well,.. if 95% of some population is supportive, participating or exploiting war crimes... than yeah well.
Than those people are asking to die by the sword.

 

Zionism is not a dirty word, it's a very specific term and it doesn't represent what you think it does, it represents Israel's right to be created and exist, nothing more. Look it up. And yes, 95% of Israeli jews share this earth shattering concept.

So anyway I guess we can finally agree that wiping out "the zionist regime" = wiping out 95% of Israeli jews = wiping Israel off the map. No more hair splitting, ok?

 

You can't trust the Persians.

 

your imagination is very very much off the mark. it's what you get when you assume.

 

Iran is an actual state. ISIS isn't.

Also, even the Ayatollah is moderate compared to ISIS. Your WW2 era analogy doesn't apply, because neither of these powers are even close to the relative power of either of those countries at that time.

Germany and Japan were powerful enough to conquer massive chunks of the world. ISIS is far too weak to have much lasting power. Iran is powerful, but it's not on the Nazi Germany level of power.

 

We can trust them more than a lot of Sunnis.

 

You mean the Arabs?

 

For the most part. I have reservations about certain non-Arab countries that are Sunni as well, like Turkey.

 

I'll give you the Turks, as they- along with the Persians- have an interest in influencing the Middle East (especially Iran). The Iranians are clever, but not trustworthy material.

The Arabs on the other hand are loyal...but impulsive. The Arabs and West could have been closer, but the latter broke the former ' s trust too many times.

 

The more I learn about history and current events, the less reason I have to believe that any group is "loyal" -- that includes my own country.

I don't see the Arabs as loyal -- they just have somewhat different interests from us. The governments of the Arab world mostly like the American government just because we offer them protection from certain other powers, but the only reason we've worked together thus far is oil.

Now that we've started increasing our own oil production, we're finding less reason to get involved as much in the Middle East. About the only reason left now is the oil trade that is done with dollars. If America ends its dependency on the petrodollar, then the Arabs will need to make appeals to other world powers for trade and defense. China might eventually take on that role instead.

Whatever the case, Iran doesn't seem so bad when you've got groups like ISIS around, and when countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are funding groups like them.

 

Current events and history are important, but so is sociology (it also makes things more interesting). The mannerisms and dispositions of nations can tell and predict a lot on the world scene- to some extent. It wasn't just business that brought the Saudis and Americans together, but also the nature of the American character that the Saudis found appealing...as opposed to latter's relationship with the British.

I disagree with you- I think the Arabs are too loyal. This is why they have yet to learn that they can't trust the West to help them with their endeavors, whether that be dealing with Israel or getting rid of Assad. They fail to understand that Americans have a short attention span, and that there are a lot of crazy Christian Zionists who reside in the US.

It's not only about oil and protection. The Arabs and Americans have seen eye to eye on a number of noteworthy issues, from the threat of Communism to economic matters. I'd much prefer the US to China, and it's a shame the US failed the Arabs.

The ISIS may have not existed if it wasn't for Iran and it's partners in Iraq and Syria persecuting Sunnis.

 

Actually, it is photographs.

But that is evidently of no consequence to you...

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Gee, I believe that the photographs are sufficient to provide "credibility"...

 

And that is relevant to the central point...how, exactly?

And it can probably be argued that Tojo was "moderate" compared to Hitler.

So what?

 

And in that rational Iran should have no "moral" problem to nuke Israel, yes that's the point, they already support and sponssor indicriminating terror against it.

 

Iran is not a threat to Israel. Let alone Europe or the USA. As a matter of the fact, Israel is definitely a threat to Iran.

Iran, not Israel, faces an existential threat, says top US analyst

Anthony Cordesman claims all of Islamic Republic’s population centers now within range of Israeli missiles with thermonuclear warheads

Read more: Iran, not Israel, faces an existential threat, says top US analyst | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-not-israel-faces-an-existential-threat/#ixzz3Q1C5eNJ9
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