Iranian woman who bravely stood on a pillar box in Tehran waving her hijab is missing

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  1. Jeannette

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    Excellent Post! Bravo! :applause:
     
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    I like to give the amount of intellectual effort out that I'm being given.
     
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    It seems that trying to live by the principle of the Golden Rule, is being a russian troll, Putin's Puppet, working for the Kremlin, or some other McCarthyism. I would love america to be a shining light on a hill, that was more concerned with setting up an example for others to emulate, if they wanted to do so. To lead by example. To always press and push for peace over war. To help other nations when they needed it, if we can, and to be an example for that too.

    And it would be great if this Republic actually acted like one. You know, the average american actually having his best economic interests represented in DC by people who are supposed to be bound to do that? And yet Princeton evidenced, by using congressional record spanning a few decades that this not being done in DC. It seems that being represented comes only to those who are rich and can finance campaigns and spend money in helping a politician getting elected. So a debt is owed and it is of course paid back.

    We have such deep problems in america, and are setting the worst possible example to the world. We had best pray that no one emulates us! Do not follow our own example, please! Reagan spoke of a shining city on a hill. He was anti USSR because they were communist, a threat to democracy and capitalism. And yet he did not continue to demonize them, quite the contrary. He did not seek to create a greater enemy. And no other president did either when it came to the old USSR. Because they could destroy us as we destroyed them. But that sanity is gone, long gone, from this neocon PNAC driven foreign policy. It looks more like what Hitler would have bought, and liked. Hegemony. Even if you have to sanction other nations and try to starve out its people. You think we are creating friends in russia, in china? You think we are trying to ramp down tensions? We are creating a self fulfilling prophesy. That is what it looks like.
     
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    :roflol: too funny... how they cheer one another on :lol:
     
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    You may be surprised at how many people arouund the world like the idea that they can have too much too eat.
    In fact people from most nations of the world are still eager to enter the United States and often risk their lives to do so.
     
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    theocracy often punish people for getting out of line of the Religious codes of the day sadly, so glad we have moved past that nonsense for the most part in America

    sadly she will probably be a martyr for her cause
     
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    An Iranian woman who defies the mullahs is a religious nutball? She probably has more balls than you have.
     
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    I took a while to get back to this because I really wanted to answer it thoroughly and the I'm far more familiar with the post-structuralist elements of Marxist philosophy than the economics.

    Let's start with Ricardo's argument for the supremacy of exchange value over use value:
    “Water and air are abundantly useful; they are indeed indispensable to existence, yet, under ordinary circumstances, nothing can be obtained in exchange for them. Gold, on the contrary, though of little use compared with air or water, will exchange for great a quantity of other goods.... Utility then is not the measure of exchange value, although it is absolutely essential to it. If a commodity were in no way useful, -- in other words, if

    it could no way contribute to our gratification, -- it would be destitute of exchange value, however scarce it might be, or whatever quantity of labour might be necessary to procure it.”

    Now, you'll notice that a restricted supply will drive up price, but price and value are not the same. Price tends to fluctuate around value, because value is impossible to calculate precisely for any realistic purpose. In fact, Marx's law of value (that the relative exchange-values of those products in trade, usually expressed by money-prices, are proportional to the average amounts of human labor-time which are currently socially necessary to produce them) depends upon this fact. If price exceeds value, profits will begin to decline and capital will flow elsewhere, thus redistributing resources and bringing prices closer to the value.

    Price is also different from value because some commodities will always have a lower price. A burrito will always be cheaper than a car, no matter what the given supply is, except if you had like two people on an island in some weird hypothetical and then it stops being relevant to economics at all.
     
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    From Mexico and Central America, but take a look at their poverty. In Italy they are coming in from Libya, but that's because we destroyed the richest country in Africa, and with the best social services in the world and threw them into the stone age. Libya's gold today is probably sitting in a bank in the City of London. In Germany they're coming in from Syria, which again we destroyed by supporting the terrorists. Before the war started I knew Syrians who were moving back because they preferred the life style and how Assad made the country.

    People from Central Asia want Russian citizenship, so it doesn't mean anything. What no one wants is to give up their cultural heritage, language and standards - and when people immigrate, they usually do so with the hope of returning to their own country. For anyone to believe that others want to adopt our standards in preference to their own, is the height of arrogance.
     
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    So, who is thinking of cleaning up Iran? I'm sorry for what decent Iranians face, and feel bad my country was involved in helping create their lunatic kleptocracy, but the 80m Iranians will have to get rid of the mullahs by themselves.

    Me? I have every right to comment on the mess in Iran whether or not thr country I live in has problems. Your position is absurd.
    Oh, please. If I was a dumbass, I'd be intimidated by your BS. Iran is a police state run by a kleptocracy using Islamic Reolutionary Guard thugs to hold on to power.
    :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
    Iran is a police state run by a kleptocracy holding power by using religious thugs.
     
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    That's laughable! I think most Iranians would rather have a safe and stable society then end up like the US. Stop looking at the splinter in the other person's eye, and start looking at the twig in your own.
     
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    At least them Iranian kids can go to school without any fear of being massacred by some angry teen with a massive machine gun.
     
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    You have work to do just to get to a minimal level.
     
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    If you don't like America, try Canada. Lots of Iranians moved there.
     
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    Oh, please. You're positing an absurd choice.
     
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    Do you support tha Ayatulla's regime ?
     
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    Where is London? I'm calling your bluff. Your picture is proof of nothing.


    Let's have some street locations.
     
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    My deepest apologies .. i cannot remember the name of the streets ..
    This May i'll be back and will right it down for you.

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    What do you think Marx contributed?
     
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    This proves nothing.

    There aren't any "no go" zones in London. The police would never put up with something like that.
     
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    I dont know

    Not everyone there is radicalized

    There are many iranians in America who fled iran after the revolution

    Maybe she belongs here instead of there

    But if so what does that say about the mood of the rest of iran
     
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    Why is Trump being brought into this conversation ? ISIS/Al Qaeda were mostly decimated in Syria long before Trump set foot in office.

    What does this have to do with the fact that the Obama admin (in conjunction with Saud, Qatar and others) armed and supported the Islamist extremist rebels in Syria to fight a proxy war against Assad at least as early as 2012 just after the armed insurrection broke out ?
     

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