Is God competent or incompetent?

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    tou need proof of an accident.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Science and scientists do not consider Abiogenesis or Panspermia to be proven, simply the more likely. They do however all agree that humans were not magically created out of mud several thousand years ago by whatever entity du jour you come up with. Obviously science has not proven this and does not claim to...thing is they keep trying and looking and you do not.
     
  3. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hinduism has thousands of gods, all have different interests. All these man made gods you describe all have man made images. My God is the I AM. Alpha and Omega. Our finite minds cannot describe Him. That is why He humbled Himself, became a human and subjected Himself to horrible treatment....even death on a cross. He did that so we can thoroughly identify with Hi and His love for us. There is no scientific proof. He wanted it that way. It takes a changed heart and a choice. He stands at the door and knocks. Only the inner self can answer. And Renee....I owed you one. There it is.
     
  4. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    So do you think If there really is a God that he would not let me into heaven even though I am a good person? I guess I was on the right path when I would flunk students who didn’t worship me
     
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    huh?
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    No for at least a couple reasons.

    First, science doesn't deal in proof other than proof of falsehood. Science is oriented to eliminating false hypotheses. There is no way to prove anything to be true, because humans don't know all the possible dimensions. For example, Newton didn't know that speed, gravity, time, mass have a relationship.

    Next, "I don't know" is a totally legit answer. We're humans. Suggesting there is something wrong with "I don't know" is monumental narcissism - even to the point of being related to man's original sin as described in Genesis. Who the heck believes humans should have all the answers?
     
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    Your posting your godless crap in here too? Give it a break servant of Satan.
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No worship required and there isn't any judgment so there's nothing to forgive.
     
  9. Greatest I am

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    ??

    I was going by your description.

    "those who think the bible is the proof that god does not exist"

    Those would not have faith. Right?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Yes.

    What is idiotic is to have faith in something without any evidence of it.

    Regards
    DL
     
  11. Renee

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    So your god lets Everyone into heaven?
     
  12. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Religion requires people to suspend all logical thinking
     
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    So you think Jesus would teach us to ignore our moral responsibility for our own actions.

    Wow.

    So much for scriptures that show otherwise.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    I think it strange that you think that Jesus, a Jewish Rabbi, would ignore what he had to teach as a Rabbi.

    https://clarionproject.org/is-anyone-morally-responsible-anymore/

    Regards
    DL
     
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  14. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Renee...by what standards are you a good person? Sure, I don't believe you've killed anybody. Does that make you a good person? Is that the standard? The Word of God says "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That includes me. Jesus said if I so much as look at a women with lust in my heart I have comitted adultery. I have done that. Thing is..... I know God has provided a way He forgives me, not by anything I have done, but what He did. That makes me want to worship Him. I can't help it.
    So do you declare yourself equal with God and desire that your students worship you? I don't get it.
     
  15. Greatest I am

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    You, who serves a genocidal son murdering prick of a God, bitches about Satan, who killed almost no one.

    What a total fool you are.

    Regards
    DL
     
  16. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But faith doesn't.
     
  17. Renee

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    Sure it does. I have faith that when I put on my good luck at earrings my speech will be successful. Do you think that’s really logical? Do you believe that a man could walk on water? Do you believe that a woman turned into a pillar of salt? I can’t suspend my logic. Are used to believe that a man with a long white beard would bring me presents
     
  18. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jesus understands what He says. You just twist words to conform what you think or want to be the case. It's funny how you qute scripture you say you don't believe. Even when YOU quote it....it has power.
     
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    Martin Luther.
    “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
    “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

    Christian thinking must go into intellectual and moral dissonance to adore their genocidal son murdering God.

    No sane and moral person would sink to such a level.

    Regards
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  20. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where you don't have all the answers....that is where faith comes in. Many who face death clamour for answers.
     
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    Anyone who has not killed is showing better morals than the genocidal son murdering Yahweh.

    Few of us are as big of a prick. Right?

    Ant you think he is a judge fit to judge you. How droll that would be, if not so pitiful.

    Regards
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    Logically explain talking serpents and donkeys please and calling the gain of a moral sense in Eden a fall, when it is clearly an elevation.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Not with you in this case as all you can think of is your un-earned reward and not the immoral path you are advocating.

    You seem to not understand what those quotes are saying.

    If you do, why do you ignore their good moral lesson and choose an immoral one?

    I do not expect a coherent and moral answer. That is beyond all those who would not step up to their own responsibilities. Jesus would curse you for being such a weak and immoral person.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    I have no objective concerning your immortal soul.

    But, when we have earthly questions concerning life, evolution, origins, etc., etc. there isn't any justification for suggesting that humans MUST have an answer.

    There are plenty of things about which we do not know. Pretending like we DO know is simply lying.
     
  25. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think I won't listen to the "accuser" anymore.
     

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