Is Republican Immigration Policy A Form Of Ethnic Cleansing?

That was a decent post. My response to you is that we have a president who has said that Islam hates us. Then he issues a directive that bans people from countries with majority Muslim populations from coming here. Appears to me that he is attempting to go beyond the law and ban people based on ethnicity.

 

I looked at the top of the chart it read only immigrants not illegal immigrants.

 

Yet it also isn’t the random “countries send us their worst people and we have no idea who they are” bullshit that your President claims it is.

 

Let's look at the chart again



If you look at the chart carefully you will see that it is a bar graph. The individual bars of the graph are composed of two colors. Above each graph there is a key that labels one color "Unauthorized Immigrants" and the other color "Lawful Immigrants."

Get it?

 

Now do you understand that we have no idea how many illegal immigrants are actually in the country that none of them can legally work and that there are somewhere between 160 million and 200 million people employed in this country and that 7.2 million if accurate is a very tiny proportion of that number people employed in this country.

 

I said there were many illegal immigrants engaged in productive work in the US. I have given evidence to support my statement. By any measure, 7,200,000 people is a lot of people.

 

compared to a160million it is miniscule

 

As much as Trump leaves a foul taste in my mouth, I have to disagree on banning people based on ethnicity. Sure he probably said Islam hates us or that was his sentiments at the time. But there are approximately 50 Muslim nations in this world. Trump banned six. Those six are well known exporters of terrorism. Trump did just ban Muslim's from those six nations, he banned everyone from those six nations. That may be semantics since probably 90% of the population in those six countries are Muslim. I don't think banning six out of 50 countries is banning someone on religion or ethnicity.

Now if the ban was for all 50 countries, then you'd be correct. I think banning all Muslims was a political talking point, rhetorical propaganda so to speak. It worked to a certain extent. But I think only the people who wanted to believe it or didn't pay attention.

I can't believe I just defended Trump. But facts are facts.

 

Visa lottery is a crap shoot for America

Anyone can apply and anyone can win

 

No they can't.

https://www.immihelp.com/green-card-lottery/green-card-lottery-usa-eligibility.html

And if you claim they can either A, you are lying about the program to push a political agenda, or B, you are so ignorant about how the program works that you opinion on it is worthless.

 

Only about a dozen countries such as canada and the UK are excluded from the visa lottery

And all it takes to qualify is a high school diploma which can be as fake as a 3 dollar bill

 

Which is why there is a vetting process both before selection and before actually getting a visa.

 

They are here illegally. Do you really expect half of the population to be made of such persons? Over seven million is quite a few, given such circumstances in my opinion.

 

I would say that IF Trump had not voiced his opinion that Islam hates us, we might give more weight to your explanation. However, he was clearly expressing his opinion, and by the way, he is not alone in that view. That being the case, his words demonstrate a clear ideological prejudice towards a religion, and thus towards people who practice it. Now you may say that there are other countries that have a population that is composed largely of Muslims and that may be true. However, you cannot deny what the president has said and when seen in terms of the fact that, as you have pointed out, he banned EVERYONE, from those countries, we are led to believe that he may well have been acting on his ideological prejudice towards Islam. I would say that only a person who believes that Islam is, by its intrinsic nature, a religion that gives rise to terrorist activity would see the sense in banning everyone from those nations. Otherwise, if you did not have that conviction, what would make sense is to take it on a case by case basis.

Any rate, that's my response.

 

& Million in a population of 330 million is scarcely a blip on the radar. The worst problem right now and the one I have with a lot of tech and peripheral tech companies. We are graduating IT and computer science people like never before these miserable outfits are using H1B visas to avoid having to hire and pay Americans. NOt that long ago Disney fired or laid off all the American thech workers and replaced them with H1B's you tell me how and why that ought to be allowed?

 

I think you have gotten lost in the discussion. You said illegal immigrants contribute nothing to society. I said that there are quite a few who are engaged in productive work. Again, 7.2 million people is a lot of people. That's more than the population of many states.

 

I never said they contribute nothing just very little and nothing that couldn't be replaced in a heart beat if we sent them all home.

 

Do you really want someone to believe that you could replace the work of 7,2 million people in a heartbeat?

 

their latest immigration plan will bring in double the amount of illegals DACA will on paper, how is there any way to say they are partaking in ethnic cleansing.

 

Everything the republicans do is this point is in reaction to fear about losing white privilege and primacy. The entire right wing media apparatus revolves around fear. Fear of taking guns, fear of taking bibles, fear of wars on christians, and fear of brown people voting differently. You can see it in their comments here about who is and isn't a real American. Gerrymandering districts, restrictive voting laws, creating monuments to stupidity (the wall), and trump's shithole comments show the feelings of fear/insecurity that is present in every single right wing mind. They all refer to a time when white men held all the power as the good old days, or back when America was great.

They're getting more desperate as demographics change, and baby boomers in particular are at the point of no longer caring how they look to the civilized world. Hence the trump phenomenon, which at its core is being unapologetic for anything. They've realized they no longer hold the moral high ground and will resort to any means available to them to cling to power as long as they can. They also realize they are the wrong side of history on a number of issues and rational debate is no longer an effective tool. They needed to have a larger tent to actually win elections, so "fake news" was created to include more people who's guiding principle is fear. Using fake news allows them to include people with no or little intelligence and make them feel as if they can participate in the political process. When you don't have to learn or understand anything, and can disguise a politician talking like a moron as "speaking plainly", your reach expands to people who have been afraid of engaging in politics due to fear of being made to feel stupid or inadequate.

At it's core contemporary republicanism is a big believer in the silver bullet. If only we got rid of all the immigrants, things would be better. If only we cut taxes for the rich, there would be more jobs and they'd bring back all the money they've been stashing. If only we were all christians, we'd get along better. If only regulations were slashed, corporations would do the right thing. The problem is that there are (thankfully) a number of people who don't buy this crap. Those policies never get fully implemented and then they blame democrats for their failure, never once acknowledging their ideas are faulty. Promising big, fix all the problems in one swoop solutions ensures they'll never be able to do it. It also allows them to assign blame to the opposition without actually ever providing solutions based around compromise. The silver bullet approach is appealing to the average scared fool who thinks that republicans have the answer, no matter how unrealistic. They keep it simple. If we just do this, this result is sure to happen!

No one with any intelligence thinks that rounding up all the immigrants and shipping them off is a workable solution that is going to solve anything. In fact, it purposely ignores the possibility that any negative side effects could even occur. Like usual, the right wing establishment uses their immigration policy as a means to keep their voters scared and focused on how the democrats are impeding their silver bullet/bullshit ideas. There's no nuance, no gray areas, just fear and chest thumping. It's all they have left.

 

Nothing more than showing some sleeply gov employee your high school diploma

 

Maybe, but give or take, the European countries have pretty much left Africa alone after WWII. Now, I know that the length of imperialism far exceeds their length of freedom, but still you'd think the Horn of Africa/ME would make some kind of progress.

That's not color, if we as a nation adopted such backwards views as the Taliban we'd regress too.