Is there any legal or political solution to gun violence in America?

The real discussion here is about rights and who is allowed to have them.

 

Let's circle around to where I began on this thread..."Only in American can a kid work at Wendy’s saving his money until he turns 18 and then buy 2 AR style rifles, over 1,600 rounds of ammunition and 60 30 round magazines. All legally." You're okay with that. It's estimated 22% of firearms are purchased without a background check. You're good with that. In some states it is more difficult to vote (a right) than to buy a gun. Okay by you?
Stricter gun laws work. In Massachusetts, which has one of the lowest gun mortality rates in the country, an applicant who wants to buy a gun must pay $100 for a license, be fingerprinted, undergo a background check and explain why he or she wants a gun. If the permit is granted, as it typically is after a few weeks, the bearer can then go to a gun store and buy the firearm. There is then an obligation to store it safely and report if it is stolen. You're not good with that.
Getting rid of automatic firearm restrictions, as you wish, Glock switches will be even more popular.
BTW civilian AR style weapons are more deadly than military weapons because the military can not use hollow points.

 

Damn that is a silly argument. The Massachusetts crap is going to get eviscerated by the supreme court. I am still waiting to see you prove that these automatic switches are sold on Amazon

 

QUOTE="edna kawabata, post: 1074145721, member: 79330"]Let's circle around to where I began on this thread..."Only in American can a kid work at Wendy’s saving his money until he turns 18 and then buy 2 AR style rifles, over 1,600 rounds of ammunition and 60 30 round magazines. All legally." You're okay with that. It's estimated 22% of firearms are purchased without a background check. You're good with that. In some states it is more difficult to vote (a right) than to buy a gun. Okay by you?
Stricter gun laws work. In Massachusetts, which has one of the lowest gun mortality rates in the country, an applicant who wants to buy a gun must pay $100 for a license, be fingerprinted, undergo a background check and explain why he or she wants a gun. If the permit is granted, as it typically is after a few weeks, the bearer can then go to a gun store and buy the firearm. There is then an obligation to store it safely and report if it is stolen. You're not good with that.
Getting rid of automatic firearm restrictions, as you wish, Glock switches will be even more popular.
BTW civilian AR style weapons are more deadly than military weapons because the military can not use hollow points.[/QUOTE]

I did exactly that. I bought shoguns, a .380 deer rifle, a colt .38 special officers model. I used to keep my 20 gauge dove* gun in my trunk.
If you were stranded on a lonely road and I drove up to you with my AR15 over my shoulder and my .45 pistol, with or without a balaclava, you would be as safe with me as you would with your best friend.
We have a people problem, and the dangerous people need to be in prison until they age out in their 50's.
*Yes, I know Iam shooting "peace birds"

 

no worries-as of July 1997 I set the Bolivian record for the most doves with a case of shells. Since I haven't been back, I suspect someone has broken it but it was well over 500 dove for 500 shells.

 

Hunts like that are why we don't got no Carrier Pigeons no more.

 

well in Columbia and then Bolivia, the doves breed all year long and have almost no predators. Prior to Alberto Lleras forming Columbian Hunting LTD, farmers poisoned the doves since they destroyed the crops that were grown to support the large chicken industry in Columbia. Alberto-son of the first president of Columbia after WWII IIRC, decided why poison all these doves when money could be made and he created hunting in the Country. I went there ten times starting in 81 and last trip was around 95-the doves never diminished. When the violence in Columbia became too virulent-the hunting moved to Bolivia where the farmers welcomed dove shooting

 

Brilliant counterargument and I thought it was obvious I was making fun of your NFA views. Automatic weapons for the masses.

Your plan needs a little work. Who are these dangerous people? Since this is about guns I assume you mean anyone being "dangerous" with a gun, because guns in themselves are not dangerous, as 2A fundies would say, and they need to have the government provide them with room and board until they turn 50. They are then released to the general population with no outside skills but plenty of inside skills. Is that the plan?

 

tell me at what point=based on your extensive knowledge of firearms types-does a firearm become too dangerous for a law abiding private citizen to own

 

No, you tell me since you are the arms expert. What arms are too dangerous for the untrained goober, who can pass a NICS, who has a anger control history and may be suicidal if he looses his job or his wife leaves him? I bet you say he can have any weapon he wants. FREEDUM! Only in America and it ain't pretty.

 

America isn't like other developed countries. So it's not fair to compare the U.S. to Canada, Australia, or Europe.
Gun violence rates in the U.S. are still lower than in Mexico or many parts of Africa.

 

if cops have it, then citizens should be able to have it. we don't eliminate the rights of millions because of a few screw ups. same with booze etc

what is really pathetic is we both know you aren't really all about making society safer, Y our'e a leftwing activist who sees gun owners as your political enemy and you want to harass them