Is there any legal or political solution to gun violence in America?

She bought 7 guns, legally, and the shops ran background checks.

 

I thought I give you a chance to explain your off topic posting, but I guess that runs to deep for you.

 

no, I respond to posts as I see fit. for years anti gun posters never answer my questions. I don't see you complaining about that. and Your point about teachers' duties, I correctly responded to. If we instruct a teacher in first aid or CPR we are not expecting them to be full time medical professionals or EMTs-just that they know what to do in an EMERGENCY-same if we give them handguns and training.

 

On my FB page I see tons of advertisements by grifter organizations demanding background checks in response to SANDYHOOK. I know you know the answer but WTF would background checks do when the gun was legally purchased pursuant to a background check but the killer murdered the gun owner to get the weapon ?

 

I do engage in varmint control out here in the boonies but I don't need a semi auto for that. I use a 223 cal bolt action rifle. Same ammo, more acccurate. AR's and M2's can be made to be pretty accurate but still not to the level of a bolt action. One shot does the trick.

The left doesn't consider shooting sports to be a meaningful reason to use a gun. I engage in sporting clays, trap and NRA pistol competition. The guns I use for those aren't very useful for anything else. My trap gun is a single shot shotgun with a high rib and 32" barrel. My .22 match pistol is pictured below. Neither one has any other purpose than shooting sports. Either one can be lethal. Just like a baseball bat can be lethal.

I was serving in the Army as the M14 was being replaced by the M16. I qualified on the M14 and was never issued an M16 until I went overseas. I preferred the M14.

 

In the mid to late 80s through the 96 games I was a regular on the ISU national shotgun tour-shooting mainly ISU Skeet but winning a title here and there in Bunker trap and the now defunct Olympic Double Trap. I shot the 88 trials and 91 Pan Am Trials at Ontario California-the venue for the 84 games. It was then moved to Atlanta for two reasons-a new venue for the 96 games was built in "wolf creek" near Atlanta but we had to move a year early IIRC because the Californian definition of ASSAULT WEAPON included that pistol above and those shooting the Olympic rapid fire event were banned from having those pistols in La La land. BTW My Rock River AR 15 National Match rifle will shoot about 1/2 MOA with match ammo.

 

THE INCONVENVIENT TRUTH is confirmed by sources across the spectrum.

“In 1997-98, there were just over 4,900 recorded crimes in England and Wales involving the use of guns, other than air weapons. The figure had climbed to 7,362 for the year ending April 2001. Home Office sources have indicated privately that 2001-02 statistics will show an increase along the same lines as previous years. A regional breakdown of the figures show that gun crime is overwhelmingly an inner-city phenomenon. In 2001-02 guns were used to kill 73 people, half of them in London or Manchester.”
THE INDEPENDENT, 8,000 a year: serious gun crime ***doubles*** under Labour, By Andy McSmith and Sophie Goodchild, 05 January 2003. (*** mine)
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=366560

Gun control laws encourage violent criminals.

 

Bull sheeyat. I and many others not only answer you directly but have plenty of examples of how you deflect. Your entire position is zero gun control based on your own belief that no one can or should ever regulate how you should own guns and to hell with any connection between sales of ammunition or weapons to the public and access to killers because to even raise that may impact on your right to own a gun.

Your entire position is based on you and your feelings and rights. You don't give a **** about children, innocent victims, the front line first responders, it all comes down to you and your feelings of entitlement. Time and time again that is all you have to offer-that and posing as a gun expert.

Save the posing that people ignore you. Know one has. If anything you ignore others with rhetorical questions indicating you don't give a **** about anyone or anything but yourself in your responses to the gun issue.

 

That was my question to you. Do you have an answer?

 

Yes, gun crime soared 6 years after the 1996 gun ban. IOW, the irrational gun ban predictably led to more gun crime. Think.

Whenever the people are disarmed by government they become easy targets for violent criminals. Crime has continued to surge in the UK for the decades since irrational gun laws rendered British subjects helpless and pathetic for the convenience of the predators.

THE GUARDIAN, Rise in recorded crime is accelerating in England and Wales, Police figures show offences up 14% in a year, with knife and gun crime rising even more steeply, Alan Travis Home affairs editor, Thu 25 Jan 2018.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

 

Why wouldn't qualified veterans and police officers want to volunteer to protect children?
Wouldn't you -- if you were retired and qualified?

 

Your position is to blatantly distort the positions of others. Gun banners and gun ownership harassers pretend that our rights harm children which is not only emotobabbling bullshit- it's dishonest. And I fully support regulations that punish criminal use of firearms

 

That is plenty accurate for varmint shooting. I'll bet my Remington 700BDL with a Nikon scope cost a fraction of its price for similar performance with my hand loads. I can put 4 rounds in the rifle which is more than I need to dispatch a varmint. I had a good friend who competed in rapid fire. That is really tough shooting. He used to practice for an hour and a half every week day and had to pay for his own ammo. He competed at a Pan Am games but didn't medal.

The gun I pictured above is my Benelli .22 match pistol which I use only for bullseye competition. I have a .32 version of it for center fire. My rapid fire friend used a similar gun made by Walther. I tried shooting at a few IPSC matches with a Kimber 1911. I didn't really like it since it really isn't about precision accuracy which I value. If you want something more powerful, I can teach you how to shoot an M30 4.2" mortar. I qualified expert on it in the Army and had occasion to use it several times in action. It is strong enough to wipe out an entire herd of varmints.

 

No.
The only thing a teacher might teach is a life lesson if there's one to be had due to a situation going on in the hallway.

 

And how is the gun violence now? 23 yrs later.

 

No, unless I was bored.

 

The main problem is that "gun violence" is not the problem the anti gun groups actually want to solve

 

Harsher (longer) sentences for violent crimes. Offset the lack of prison space with shorter (or none) prison sentences for non-violent crimes.

Easier and less restrictive access to mental health. That means more funding, but it also means not punishing people for getting the diagnosis they need to get the help they need. I personally know at least one person who (barely) manages her undiagnosed mental illness because seeking help would lead to loss of her job, loss of her right to self defense and would have threatened custody of her children (though the kids are adults now, so that one issue is solved at least). It doesn't matter how affordable healthcare is, if we treat the diagnosed like criminals, they will avoid diagnosis and it becomes self-defeating.

No 'gun-free' zones. If you wanna restrict weapons from a property, hire some frickin armed security. Spree-shooters go where their victims are unarmed so no one shoots back so they can maximize their body count.

Reduce population density. Granted, this is far easier said than done. But 'gun violence' in America is limited to a relatively few small but densely populated areas. The vast majority of the nation (in terms of area) has similar (or better) 'gun violence' rates as that of all the oft-claimed countries that have banned all guns. Gun violence (and most other types of violence too) are a city problem. Lower pop density would've reduced deaths from covid too, just sayin. If you fear gun violence (and/or communicable disease), move to rural right-wing America where everyone has guns and no one shoots eachother.

 

A background check is just eyeballing what you did in the past, to figure out what you might do in the future. But when you never got busted.... and most crimes go unpunished....
They make you take a mental check in civilized countries.

 

And who gets to conduct those 'mental checks'? Please dont say 'social workers'...because I promise you, that field is littered with leftist head cases. And where does THAT end? Can we get mental checks before we sell vehicles? How about before renting a home to someone? And voting...lets not forget that.

Funny thing about those 'mental checks'. They really are pretty meaningless. Nicholas Cruz had law enforcement and SWS called on him over 36 times...and every time a social worker and/or law enforcement officer engaged with him, they found nothing actionable.

 

Then you should support recruiting qualified armed volunteers to play chess, checkers and card on every floor of every school so that teachers do not have to teach kids how to play checkers and poker.

 

I get that a lot of people are spitballing 'solutions'. Heres something to consider.

1-if we are talking mass shootings in schools, there have been 33 school mass shootings since 1982. There are some 300,000 plus schools of any type (not counting home school and charter schools). That equals out to an approximate .000000167% chance that any school on any given day experiences a mass shooting.
2-at least 2 of the school mass shootings have occurred at schools that already had armed resource officers assigned and on site on the day of the shooting (Columbine and Stoneman). They armed officers didnt prevent the shootings...in fact in both cases they refused to engage.
3-In schools where shootings are commonplace, they invariably involve gangs and large numbers of minority students. Imagine what happens the first time there is an encounter with a retired servicemember and a banger...

A better solution to armed officers is to better secure the schools with glass that cant be shot out by a pistol caliber weapon, and then allowing teachers to exercise their Constitutional rights to conceal carry. NOT require teachers to carry....but allow those so motivated to do so.

 

All crime, including gun crime has surged repeatedly over the decades tat have followed the 1996 gun ban. As more criminals discover just how helpless the disarmed law abiding public really is many now us cheaper alternatives, stabbings, hammers to the head and acid in the face are becoming popular alternatives for many criminals in Britain. Progress — right?

“Two in three police force areas in England and Wales are experiencing rising gun crime, with one force facing levels six times higher than a decade ago, Guardian analysis of Home Office data has found.”

The Inconvenient Truth within the last 6 months:

THE GUARDIAN, Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales, Exclusive: analysis reveals firearms offences have increased in 29 out of 43 forces over past decade, Robyn Vinter @robynvinter, Thu 1 Sep 2022 13.00 EDT.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ds-of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales

 

Good ideas. Teachers should be allowed to arm themselves and entrances should be hardened and guarded.
IMO, qualified armed volunteers inside the schools will always be more effective than professional security.
Ordinary human beings cannot be paid enough to do what professional police are now tasked to do.

 

The retired are often bored, and many of them like to play poker chess and checkers etc.
You could even post your thoughts on PF sitting at a card table inside a school.